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« on: June 02, 2009, 02:58:PM » |
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Hi all,
I prepared an essay a couple of semesters back on gnostic liberationism in Joyce's Portrait of the Artist. After I'd turned it in, my professor recommended that I look into the work of Eric Voegelin for a fuller explication of gnostic strains of thought in modern Western intellectual and political life. So I picked up Science, Politics, and Gnosticism a few weeks back, and it floored me. (In a good way!) Though not deeply familiar with Hegel, Comte, and Marx, I found his critiques of their philosophies to be quite damning.
I'm sure some of you learned folk are much more familiar with his work than I am; any recommendations of other works to pursue? Topics to discuss?
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 03:07:PM » |
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Order and History (though not complete, he died while writing it) and The Political Religions are great. Collected Works here http://press.umsystem.edu/voegelin.htm
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 08:11:AM » |
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Voegelin is repsponsible for one of my all-time favorite bumper stickers of the 1960s:
"Don't let them immantize the Eschaton"
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 12:37:AM » |
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Voegelin is repsponsible for one of my all-time favorite bumper stickers of the 1960s:
"Don't let them immantize the Eschaton"
That's Voegelin? Really? |
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2009, 07:54:PM » |
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"immanentize"
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2009, 09:39:PM » |
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"immanentize"
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2009, 04:58:AM » |
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Here's a short explanation: In 1969 a sixteen-year-old boy wrote to conservative columnist William F. Buckley, Jr., “to discover just what, in God’s name, the phrase ‘to immanentize the eschaton’ means.” Buckley replied: “Eschaton means, roughly, the final things in the order of time; immanentize means, roughly, to cause to inhere in time. So that to immanentize the eschaton is to cause to inhere in the worldly experience and subject to human dominion that which is beyond time and therefore extraworldly. To attempt such a thing is to deny the transcendence of God; to assume that Utopia is for this world.” http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2009/0706.html |
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2009, 08:46:PM » |
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The Church fits the definitions?  |
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2009, 08:19:PM » |
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Hi all,
I prepared an essay a couple of semesters back on gnostic liberationism in Joyce's Portrait of the Artist. After I'd turned it in, my professor recommended that I look into the work of Eric Voegelin for a fuller explication of gnostic strains of thought in modern Western intellectual and political life. So I picked up Science, Politics, and Gnosticism a few weeks back, and it floored me. (In a good way!) Though not deeply familiar with Hegel, Comte, and Marx, I found his critiques of their philosophies to be quite damning.
I'm sure some of you learned folk are much more familiar with his work than I am; any recommendations of other works to pursue? Topics to discuss?
I too was just recently introduced to the thought of Voegelin. It's hard to believe that he (and other Catholic thinkers like Christopher Dawson) have been forgotten by Catholics. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 08:04:AM » |
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Hi all,
I prepared an essay a couple of semesters back on gnostic liberationism in Joyce's Portrait of the Artist. After I'd turned it in, my professor recommended that I look into the work of Eric Voegelin for a fuller explication of gnostic strains of thought in modern Western intellectual and political life. So I picked up Science, Politics, and Gnosticism a few weeks back, and it floored me. (In a good way!) Though not deeply familiar with Hegel, Comte, and Marx, I found his critiques of their philosophies to be quite damning.
I'm sure some of you learned folk are much more familiar with his work than I am; any recommendations of other works to pursue? Topics to discuss?
I too was just recently introduced to the thought of Voegelin. It's hard to believe that he (and other Catholic thinkers like Christopher Dawson) have been forgotten by Catholics. They haven't been forgotten by traditional Catholics. Were they ever well known to a large segment of the population to begin with? |
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2009, 07:53:PM » |
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Hi all,
I prepared an essay a couple of semesters back on gnostic liberationism in Joyce's Portrait of the Artist. After I'd turned it in, my professor recommended that I look into the work of Eric Voegelin for a fuller explication of gnostic strains of thought in modern Western intellectual and political life. So I picked up Science, Politics, and Gnosticism a few weeks back, and it floored me. (In a good way!) Though not deeply familiar with Hegel, Comte, and Marx, I found his critiques of their philosophies to be quite damning.
I'm sure some of you learned folk are much more familiar with his work than I am; any recommendations of other works to pursue? Topics to discuss?
I too was just recently introduced to the thought of Voegelin. It's hard to believe that he (and other Catholic thinkers like Christopher Dawson) have been forgotten by Catholics. They haven't been forgotten by traditional Catholics. Were they ever well known to a large segment of the population to begin with? It's funny you should ask that... I recently listened to a lecture on Dawson and the speaker (I don't remember his name) commented on the fact that Dawson was a very well known Catholic thinker before VII. He had been invited to teach at Notre Dame and he was widely recognized as one of the preeminent Catholic historians in the world. |
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 05:40:PM » |
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Here's a short explanation: In 1969 a sixteen-year-old boy wrote to conservative columnist William F. Buckley, Jr., “to discover just what, in God’s name, the phrase ‘to immanentize the eschaton’ means.” Buckley replied: “Eschaton means, roughly, the final things in the order of time; immanentize means, roughly, to cause to inhere in time. So that to immanentize the eschaton is to cause to inhere in the worldly experience and subject to human dominion that which is beyond time and therefore extraworldly. To attempt such a thing is to deny the transcendence of God; to assume that Utopia is for this world.” http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2009/0706.htmlWould you be able to break down the highlighted part a little bit? I tried to diagram and I am not really able to understand what it means. Thank you from a blockhead. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2009, 05:16:PM » |
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Our greatest hopes will be fulfilled only in God's good time. It is foolishness to put faith in the ideologies and projects of man (e.g., Marxism and other Utopian systems) to bring about heaven on earth.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2009, 05:20:PM » |
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That's what it means
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2009, 06:31:AM » |
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Ah. So simple. Thank you.
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I am the one buried in the snow. Don't do it--I missed work the next day. It's not a day at the beach, fo' sho'.
I love Colorado, but I need a true Dixie fix.
Jesus, I trust in You.
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