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« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2009, 04:39:AM » |
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I have no way of recalling. Being born 40 years ago I was baptized the old way but right after that everything was the new stuff. So I was lucky and got my inoculation.
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"I ain't no freakin' monument to justice!" -Moonstruck Send your Rosary totals and sacrifice totals to: Rosary Crusade Regina Coeli House 11485 N. Farley Road Platte City, MO 64079 Spread sheet for the 3rd Rosary Crusade: http://sspx.org/fatima_rosary_crusade_tally_form.pdf |
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« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2009, 06:26:AM » |
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My first VC2 encounter was with a Pancho Priest, Father ("Don't Call Me 'Father'") Joe, who flashed me a peace sign and said "Peace, Baby!"
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« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2009, 03:35:PM » |
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I have no way of recalling. Being born 40 years ago I was baptized the old way but right after that everything was the new stuff. So I was lucky and got my inoculation. If you were born 40 years ago, you most likely were baptized in a revised baptismal ceremony. The new rite of baptism was promulgated in early 1969, but Latin had nearly disappeared from the administration of the sacraments by that time. |
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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2009, 06:11:PM » |
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Considering the 2000 year history of the Church, 30 years might seem like a drop in the ocean. But not when you're living through it. First it was vernacular and versus populum in the 60s, then lay lectors in the 70s, then EEMs in the 80s and altar girls in the 90s. Those last two are the elephants in the liturgy (living room). As the Church becomes more traditional, I believe the last will be the first to go.
I'm old enough to remember the old Latin Mass (pre-1962), the mid-sixties "transitional" Mass (for lack of a proper term), and the Novus Ordo. The "Spirit" of Vatican II was around the whole time. As a small child I wasn't aware of it, but my parents and grandparents were. Change was in the air and change doesn't happen overnight. The Council was called in the first place was because that "Spirit" was already haunting us.
I guess I first knew the "Spirit" was here to stay when we had to study Jesus Christ Super Star in high school religion class. Four semesters were devoted to "poor-old-Judas" and a flower-power Jesus and a Mary Magdalene who sang "I don't know how to love him." And when the school year was over, we didn't know how to love him either.
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- Lisa
While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal- who allow scandals to destroy faith- are guilty of spiritual suicide. -- St. Francis de Sales
Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2009, 06:42:PM » |
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The Council was called in the first place was because that "Spirit" was already haunting us.
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Matthew 16 16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven Matthew 28 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. Its OK, God is in charge of His Church. It is my belief that Almighty God did not let the gates of hell prevail in Vat II. |
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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2009, 06:54:PM » |
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I guess I first knew the "Spirit" was here to stay when we had to study Jesus Christ Super Star in high school religion class. Four semesters were devoted to "poor-old-Judas" and a flower-power Jesus and a Mary Magdalene who sang "I don't know how to love him." And when the school year was over, we didn't know how to love him either.
I had a theology professor who used Jesus Christ Superstar as a class quiz. We had to spot the four major heresies embodied in the film and explain why they were wrong.  I grew up in the eighties, so for me it was everywhere. I was an altar girl; we had the guitars and the hand-holding and the standing around the altar at the consecration (horrors, but at the time I thought it was quite a devout thing -- I'd never been taught any differently). For me Tradition was almost the same shocking and nearly scandalous discovery it must be for a convert from Protestantism. |
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"God made us to love him. It takes two to love. It takes liberty." - Flannery O'Connor
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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2009, 06:54:PM » |
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The Council was called in the first place was because that "Spirit" was already haunting us.
I - Lisa
Matthew 16 16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven Matthew 28 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. The 'Spirit' guiding the Church is God Himself. One must be careful of unfounded words. Lisa's statement does not deny that the Spirit guiding the Church is God Himself. The term "spirit of Vatican II" does not refer to the Holy Ghost. It refers to a certain mindset regarding interpretation of the Vatican II documents and has been used by many Catholics, including the hierarchy, to excuse departures from the Catholic Faith. |
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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2009, 07:01:PM » |
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The 'Spirit' guiding the Church is God Himself. One must be careful of unfounded words. I don't equate the "Spirit of Vatican II" with the Spirit of God. That's why I had "Spirit" in quotations. The "Spirit" I was referring to was the wind of change, which may or may not have been blown in by the Holy Spirit. Of course I believe that the Holy Spirit protects the Church from teaching error - thus the gates of hell will not prevail. And yes I believe the Holy Spirit protected the Second Vatican Council from teaching error. But that's not the same as saying I believe the Holy Spirit inspired the Council. - Lisa |
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- Lisa
While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal- who allow scandals to destroy faith- are guilty of spiritual suicide. -- St. Francis de Sales
Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2009, 07:04:PM » |
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I had a theology professor who used Jesus Christ Superstar as a class quiz. We had to spot the four major heresies embodied in the film and explain why they were wrong. Darn! I missed that class. |
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- Lisa
While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal- who allow scandals to destroy faith- are guilty of spiritual suicide. -- St. Francis de Sales
Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2009, 07:20:PM » |
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I had a theology professor who used Jesus Christ Superstar as a class quiz. We had to spot the four major heresies embodied in the film and explain why they were wrong. Darn! I missed that class. In case you are curious, one of them was Nestorianism. This was a Christology course, and now that I am going back through my notes, I find that it was not just a quiz -- it was our final exam!  |
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"God made us to love him. It takes two to love. It takes liberty." - Flannery O'Connor
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« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2009, 07:27:PM » |
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I had a theology professor who used Jesus Christ Superstar as a class quiz. We had to spot the four major heresies embodied in the film and explain why they were wrong. Darn! I missed that class. In case you are curious, one of them was Nestorianism. This was a Christology course, and now that I am going back through my notes, I find that it was not just a quiz -- it was our final exam! Yes, I am curious. I confess I'm a little rusty on my heresies.. Isn't Nestorianism the belief that Christ was two distinct persons? Do you remember what the other three heresies were? - Lisa |
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- Lisa
While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal- who allow scandals to destroy faith- are guilty of spiritual suicide. -- St. Francis de Sales
Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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flannerywannabe
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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2009, 07:35:PM » |
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I had a theology professor who used Jesus Christ Superstar as a class quiz. We had to spot the four major heresies embodied in the film and explain why they were wrong. Darn! I missed that class. In case you are curious, one of them was Nestorianism. This was a Christology course, and now that I am going back through my notes, I find that it was not just a quiz -- it was our final exam! Yes, I am curious. I confess I'm a little rusty on my heresies.. Isn't Nestorianism the belief that Christ was two distinct persons? Do you remember what the other three heresies were? - Lisa I don't, which is why I was digging through my notes.  I must have chucked the final exam paper itself. Wish I hadn't, now. But yes, Nestorianism is the denial of the hypostatic union. The notion is that Christ's human personhood was somehow separate from His divinity, which was floating around somewhere separately also. I also don't recall what it is about the movie that presents Him this way. Anyway, I think it is also Arian because of how it presents His self-knowledge. Augh, I really wish I'd kept that paper... |
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"God made us to love him. It takes two to love. It takes liberty." - Flannery O'Connor
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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2009, 07:36:PM » |
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18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Its OK, God is in charge of His Church. It is my belief that Almighty God did not let the gates of hell prevail in Vat II.
God is in charge. +1 for that. |
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2009, 07:54:PM » |
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I had a theology professor who used Jesus Christ Superstar as a class quiz. We had to spot the four major heresies embodied in the film and explain why they were wrong. Darn! I missed that class. In case you are curious, one of them was Nestorianism. This was a Christology course, and now that I am going back through my notes, I find that it was not just a quiz -- it was our final exam! Yes, I am curious. I confess I'm a little rusty on my heresies.. Isn't Nestorianism the belief that Christ was two distinct persons? Do you remember what the other three heresies were? - Lisa I don't, which is why I was digging through my notes. I must have chucked the final exam paper itself. Wish I hadn't, now. But yes, Nestorianism is the denial of the hypostatic union. The notion is that Christ's human personhood was somehow separate from His divinity, which was floating around somewhere separately also. I also don't recall what it is about the movie that presents Him this way. Anyway, I think it is also Arian because of how it presents His self-knowledge. Augh, I really wish I'd kept that paper... The scene in the movie/play that might have presented Jesus as distinctly human was the scene in the Garden of Gethsemane where He argues with God the Father over His purpose, saying "I have changed, I'm not so sure as when we started.....alright! so I'll die! Just watch me die! Let them take me now before I change my mind." Hmm.. I don't remember that exchange in any of the Gospels. Anyway, I always felt let down with the ending. It doesn't even imply a resurrection. The final instrumental titled simply John 3:16 was very beautiful as a piece of music. And I do stand in awe of the talents of Andrew Lloyd Weber and Tim Rice. - Lisa |
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- Lisa
While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal- who allow scandals to destroy faith- are guilty of spiritual suicide. -- St. Francis de Sales
Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2009, 07:56:PM » |
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........and a Mary Magdalene who sang "I don't know how to love him." And when the school year was over, we didn't know how to love him either.
- Lisa
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Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God be merciful to me a sinner.
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