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If America is the new Rome, it has the same old problems, which will be the cause of it's demise, just like the Empire. The enemy is not out there somewhere, it's not the Russians or the Chinese, or Iran or the Muslims. The enemy or adversary is here within our borders, he's in our senates and state houses, he's on our benches in our courts, he's in charge of our universities and learning institutions, he's infiltrated our churches and houses of worship, he's part of the leadership in our armed forces and national defense. He's everywhere and nowhere, he's one of us and yet distinctively separate. He is causing more decay and death and destruction than all of our enemies outside the gate combined. He is the treasonous traitor within and in the end will cause more damage and misery than all of the enemy combatants and "persons of interest" combined on HS terrorists watch list. He is our most dangerous opponent because he is almost undetectable and yet at times he's blatantly obvious. But one thing is for certain, he won't stop until he is exposed or the country has capitulated or is the shell of the nation it once was. So he must be stopped at all costs. It's either him or us.
I believe the Roman stateman Cicero said it best over two millennium ago;
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.......Cicero, 42 B.C.E.
He might as well have said it yesterday.
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To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die. There is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time, and betrayal. --- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2009, 09:46:AM » |
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I have to go to Mass, so I cannot discuss the subject matter, but you get a fishie for inspired prose.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 02:02:PM » |
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minus one fishy for including the odious "B.C.E"!
In so including that with out so much as a [sic] It actually underlines your own quote in an ironic sort of way. Very ironic indeed.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2009, 02:12:PM » |
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I always like to think of "BCE" as Before the Catholic Era!
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2009, 02:49:PM » |
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+1 for Alfred for pointing out the irony of your cut and paste (I asssume?) of the Cicero quote. But good post overall. And, I couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 02:57:PM » |
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And just how are we supposed to root out traitorously spirited fiends?
We continue to call out the traitors on radio talk shows, but soon, legislators will choke talk radio and a lot of sensible communication will stop. Should we put one guy in the Congress who points this stuff out? Two? He/They would be considered at McCarthyists. Flood our congressmen and senators with phone calls? They ignore us.
I'm afraid, my friends, that only God Himself can save us now.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 03:21:PM » |
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If America is the new Rome, it has the same old problems, which will be the cause of it's demise, just like the Empire. The enemy is not out there somewhere, it's not the Russians or the Chinese, or Iran or the Muslims. The enemy or adversary is here within our borders, he's in our senates and state houses, he's on our benches in our courts, he's in charge of our universities and learning institutions, he's infiltrated our churches and houses of worship, he's part of the leadership in our armed forces and national defense. He's everywhere and nowhere, he's one of us and yet distinctively separate. He is causing more decay and death and destruction than all of our enemies outside the gate combined. He is the treasonous traitor within and in the end will cause more damage and misery than all of the enemy combatants and "persons of interest" combined on HS terrorists watch list. He is our most dangerous opponent because he is almost undetectable and yet at times he's blatantly obvious. But one thing is for certain, he won't stop until he is exposed or the country has capitulated or is the shell of the nation it once was. So he must be stopped at all costs. It's either him or us.
I believe the Roman stateman Cicero said it best over two millennium ago;
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor—he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation—he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city—he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.......Cicero, 42 B.C.E.
He might as well have said it yesterday. Very interesting. Who do you think falls into the category of traitor? The way I'm reading this, a secular-minded relativist fits the bill, but I want to be sure I know what you are describing.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 03:28:PM » |
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And just how are we supposed to root out traitorously spirited fiends?
We continue to call out the traitors on radio talk shows, but soon, legislators will choke talk radio and a lot of sensible communication will stop. Should we put one guy in the Congress who points this stuff out? Two? He/They would be considered at McCarthyists. Flood our congressmen and senators with phone calls? They ignore us.
I'm afraid, my friends, that only God Himself can save us now.
-L.H.
You cannot "root out traitorously spirited fiends." You can only deny them the power to do to us what we are not permitted to do to each other. You can only deny them the special Ten Commandments-exemption the State enjoys. But if you were to do that, you'd be an anarchist. We can't let that happen now, can we? How would we ever have order if we were to insist the traitorous fiends employed by the State adhere to the Ten Commandments?
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"What do you think you're doing by infesting the whole world? Because I do it with a puny boat, I am called a pirate; because you do it with a great fleet, you are called an emperor."
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2009, 04:16:PM » |
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minus one fishy for including the odious "B.C.E"!
In so including that with out so much as a [sic] It actually underlines your own quote in an ironic sort of way. Very ironic indeed.
It was not my intention, as I did paste Cicero's quote not realizing the "common era" designation. It certainly doesn't change the application of it's relevance to the present day situation or condition of the formerly once great United States of the Americas. As an aside note, the removal of AD and BC is another example of the traitorous mentality of removing anything Christian in our historical texts and records. It seems even having the initials of anything with "Christ" or "Lord" literally scares the be-Jesus out those who have pushed for it's removal.
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To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die. There is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time, and betrayal. --- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 06:24:PM » |
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Didn't Michael Weiner ("Savage") write a book based off of the above quote?
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 08:12:AM » |
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Traitors can infiltrate (and will always try to) any institution, but how much power is at stake (and how easily available it is) for the "traitors" is directly related to: how many people will try to infiltrate or be "treasonous", how many people will help him, and how much risk they are willing to take. That's why Stalin killed anybody who couldn't lick his boots and kiss his a$$ at the same time. It's also the same reason the US Constitution as originally conceived (Masonic "conceivers" and signers acknowledged) inspired the proliferation of individual attainment and growth for so long. Whatever you think about that end, you have to acknowledge it ended up that way--for a good chunk of time. There was far more gain in being the "infiltrator" and "thief of power" by just being an ordinary citizen and dreaming up ways of serving both yourself (the whole point of your exercise) and serving your neighbor (a side effect of the way to actually serve yourself). Certainly there were local areas where there was still power to take, think the old West and big cities. Not really much reason to "infiltrate" into other governments though, that is until the wealth that was built up by these individual citizens inspired the so-called Progressives to start tinkering with the Constitution, because they finally smelled power to control. Finally, some power. That's all it takes. Then the Constitution began to mean, well, whatever the hell anyone wanted it to mean. It's the same thing that happened at Vatican II. There was dissent present in the Church at the time. It was ripe for the snatching of power, because before, how far would these people have gotten, really. But in the 60s, oh my, they knew that if they could just twist a little foot in the door, there would be so much to control. Power. Again. It always comes down to how much power is this going to give me? I'd be way more afraid of the person who can grab power over the US than one who could grab it over a banana republic. There's more power at stake. It makes for scarier fellows.
Actually, the "Spirit of Vatican II" is eerily similar, to me (and probably only to me), to the interstate commerce clause, or any other part of the new "living documents" of the US. Whatever your meaning of is is, ya know? In the Western world at least, along with the one Church of God, confusion and distraction of good people and the easy availability of unbridled power calls to the basest desires of man, it draws Satan into the fray and he is happy to be at this party. Right now he is living it up and getting the world ready for the anti-Christ. Buckle up.
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