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« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2009, 03:18:PM » |
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I'm sorry, the quote above is a quote from eurocath above.
It appeared like that because I don't know how to work this infernal gadget.
Surely Leinart may have intended to receive the Sacrament even if only to indulge his blasphemy.
Or he may have wanted to be a Catholic everything but "enlightened" by masonry. Rather like, I suspect, was Judas' motive for his crimes.
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« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2009, 03:40:PM » |
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I'm sorry, the quote above is a quote from eurocath above.
It appeared like that because I don't know how to work this infernal gadget.
Surely Leinart may have intended to receive the Sacrament even if only to indulge his blasphemy.
Or he may have wanted to be a Catholic everything but "enlightened" by masonry. Rather like, I suspect, was Judas' motive for his crimes.
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« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2009, 05:29:PM » |
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May God bless you.
And may he bless me with a clue eventually. And thank you for your kind consideration. |
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« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2009, 06:23:PM » |
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And may he bless me with a clue eventually.
And thank you for your kind consideration.
You're very welcome. |
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P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "But in the days of those kingdoms the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, and his kingdom shall not be delivered up to another people, and it shall break in pieces, and shall consume all these kingdoms, and itself shall stand for ever." [Daniel 2:44] http://www.wftsradio.com/
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« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2009, 10:14:PM » |
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Hmmmmmmm.......
This thread has got me wondering whether dancing about with bishops in canonical irregularity land is a very good idea.
Also whether reading tabloidish stuff is a good idea.
And one more thing: the devil never tempted me to leave the Church until I started reading trad stuff.
I don't think the religion of our Lord is as complicated as you've all made it sound. In fact, I know it's not.
You all must be real joys in person. No wonder I've been so miserable for the last few months. What a mess.
Guess what? It's possible to remain Catholic and attend the Novus Ordo. I've done it for years. It's a pathetic excuse for Catholic liturgy, but God giveth and He taketh away.
God have mercy on us!
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2009, 12:33:AM » |
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It certainly is the easy way out....I'd love to be able to attend the Baptist fellowship across the street...lots of facilities and a whole bunch of normal people that don't think the mohams are virtuous and the US Govt did 9/11...fun people...probably fun place on Sunday... God couldn't have made the Church that hard to find................  |
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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2009, 04:51:AM » |
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this thread makes me hungry.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2009, 02:01:PM » |
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Yeah some steak and mushrooms and carmalized onions with a full trappist beer.
Sip ahhhH
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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2009, 01:55:PM » |
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The question is not what Cekada poses here at all. The question was whether Lienart himself could have been consecrated bishop, if he was outside the Church.
If you mean validly consecrated, the answer is yes. So a Father Jones, who loses his faith and joins another church, can then receive the Catholic sacrament of Holy Orders and be validly consecrated a Roman Catholic bishop?  You should do an article about this then to clarify these things. I think a lot of people would be very interested in reading it, especially considering the current shortage of traditional priests and bishops. |
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2009, 03:17:PM » |
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The question is not what Cekada poses here at all. The question was whether Lienart himself could have been consecrated bishop, if he was outside the Church.
If you mean validly consecrated, the answer is yes. So a Father Jones, who loses his faith and joins another church, can then receive the Catholic sacrament of Holy Orders and be validly consecrated a Roman Catholic bishop? You should do an article about this then to clarify these things. I think a lot of people would be very interested in reading it, especially considering the current shortage of traditional priests and bishops. Are you always this much of a smart ass towards a Catholic priest? |
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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2009, 04:19:PM » |
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i think some people elevate their self-status to the point where the dignity of the priesthood is null and void, Matthew.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2009, 08:45:AM » |
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The question is not what Cekada poses here at all. The question was whether Lienart himself could have been consecrated bishop, if he was outside the Church.
If you mean validly consecrated, the answer is yes. So a Father Jones, who loses his faith and joins another church, can then receive the Catholic sacrament of Holy Orders and be validly consecrated a Roman Catholic bishop? You should do an article about this then to clarify these things. I think a lot of people would be very interested in reading it, especially considering the current shortage of traditional priests and bishops. Are you always this much of a smart ass towards a Catholic priest? I don't understand what you mean. Cekada has just made the claim that a Catholic priest can defect from the Church, and then be validly consecrated a Catholic bishop. Did you not read him state that? The argument of the "Lienartists" is that this can't be. If you are a Catholic priest and you leave the Church for a different religion, you can't be validly consecrated a Catholic bishop. I just asked Cekada to please reiterate what he said and, yes, write an article on it, because his article purporting to debunk the "Lienartists" has been shown to be on a different topic entirely. |
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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2009, 08:53:AM » |
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i think some people elevate their self-status to the point where the dignity of the priesthood is null and void, Matthew.
Can you tell me what I have said that is against the dignity of the priesthood? |
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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2009, 10:16:AM » |
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OK...so now I get it....Eurocath is a deranged sedevacantist of the type that is just as irritating and unwilling to distill evidence and information as the deranged NOtards like peterltron....they just pick different info to ignore and not distill....the result is the same....The SSPX and everything that comes out of them is not of the Church....LOL So here we have a jerk calling a true priest "Cekada" as if he's some E-2 in the military under the thumb of eurocath drill sgt.....  Troll....go spew it someplace else... The following site debunks this morons stuff adequately while not being perfect. He could have ordered his argument better but so be it...it's almost all there. http://www.whyiamacatholic.com/SSPX/LefebvreMason.htmThe world of traditionalism does not have to be so lonely and hard Eurocalf...you and your three buddies are not the only Catholics It's absolutely amazing how stupid people actually TRY and WILL themselves to be. The same BS argumentation the Calf is using against SSPX, SSPV, the Original 12 FSSP, SSG and some others, is similar to arguments used against various sedevacatist bishops like Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas and others....bozos trying to deny they actually have orders...what a load You may not like that they don't stand hand in hand with you...that's it.... |
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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2009, 01:14:PM » |
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OK...so now I get it....Eurocath is a deranged sedevacantist of the type that is just as irritating and unwilling to distill evidence and information as the deranged NOtards like peterltron....
Sedevacantist? Where did you get this? Anthony Cekada is a famous sedevacantist. Did you not know this? I have to say I wonder about the Catholicity of a forum where the top posters regularly get into the kind of name calling that happens here. You chase away people who want to talk about traditional Catholicism. Why? So here we have a jerk calling a true priest "Cekada"
If there was no doubt at all to whether Anthony Cekada was a "true" priest, he would not have had to write the article that is linked in the first post in this thread, would he have? The whole claim as to whether or not Anthony Cekada is a priest rests on whether or not what the "Lienartists" claim is true or false. Cekada says that their claim is false, but what I find interesting about it is that he never debunks their claim. Instead, he makes up a whole new claim (one that I agree with him is false), and he shows it to be false. If the claim is false, why avoid debunking it, Scipio? Do you know?Troll....go spew it someplace else... Again, why? Why are you so interested in ending the discussion? Actually, it's interesting that you point this out. This article is almost an exact copy of Anthony Cekada's article. It applies the same clever twist of the original "Lienartist" claim: instead of debunking how a priest could leave the Church and then be validly consecrated a Bishop, it talks all about how you have to believe the intention of a cleric if all the external signs are there. But nobody making a "Lienartist" claim is concerned with Lienart's intention at all. They are concerned with how Lienart himself could have ever been consecrated, since he had already left the Church at that time. As the timeline in the article you link even shows!The world of traditionalism does not have to be so lonely and hard Eurocalf...you and your three buddies are not the only Catholics
I never said such a thing, Scipio. It's absolutely amazing how stupid people actually TRY and WILL themselves to be. The same BS argumentation the Calf is using against SSPX, SSPV, the Original 12 FSSP, SSG and some others, is similar to arguments used against various sedevacatist bishops like Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas and others....bozos trying to deny they actually have orders...what a load
What about jurisdiction? Are you concerned much about that? You do know that the Church has always taught that a valid cleric needs specific jurisdiction in the Church to offer Sacraments, right? Jurisdiction comes from the Holy Father. Groups acting on their own, where do they get their jurisdiction? You may not like that they don't stand hand in hand with you...that's it....
If a man comes and claims to reprsent the Church, but says that there is no Pope in Rome and almost no real Bishops in the world, a Catholic has every right to ask where this man is coming from, where his jurisdiction is from, and how and where was he ordained. |
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