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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2009, 07:21:AM » |
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If I could I would. Carrying is illegal in Illinois.
Yes, we're one of only something like seven states where carrying is not just restricted, but still completely illegal. It's very legal right across the river in Missouri, so of course they're shooting each other left and right. Oh wait, they aren't. In the Netherlands (where I live) even toy guns are illegal. You can't even carry a nail clipping device in some cities. If you dare to resist (let alone hurt) a home invader, you will be criminally prosecuted and will probably have to pay civil damages to Mr. Burglar. Criminals really appreciate the fact that all their targets are completely unarmed, and that police is always busy laser gunning cars and writing speeding tickets. That's terrible! You have no recourse at all? Is this kind of robbery a big problem in your country? |
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2009, 07:29:AM » |
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Nice Kobra, Matt.
As for asking for permission to carry, I believe that concealed is concealed. Only a few people know that I carry ( well, now you guys do, too, but that doesn't count ), and I prefer to keep it that way. I don't prefer open carry, because that's kinda like carrying a sign that says, "shoot me first."
I usually carry a Glock 19 as my primary, with a Kahr CW9 as my bug, along with a couple of magazines.
My only reason for saying that one should ask the Pastor, Tex, is that a Roman Catholic church is a different "dynamic" than other public places. I would venture to say that quite a few pastors would take exception to a parishioner carrying a gun in church. Out of respect for them and in deference to their position as Pastor, asking is just the polite thing to do. Also part of how we approach this should be to keep in mind that a fellow parishioner who may otherwise think that we are a great person might not see the necessity in carrying a gun during mass, rosary, benediction, etc. One does need to keep practicalities like this in mind so that we do not make our fellow parishioners unduly uncomfortable. Also hearing of the once-in-a-blue-moon whacko who attacks a priest in church, to me, is not a mitigating factor. The incidences of these things happening are ridiculously small. I don't believe on this forum I have ever been the person to preach caution regarding one exercising their gun rights  |
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2009, 07:54:AM » |
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In Ohio CCW is illegal in a church, even with a concealed carry permit, unless you have the church's permission.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2009, 08:26:AM » |
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When carrying on private property, I think it is best to ask for permission, in this case, the pastor's.
I'm sure a priest would not be troubled by it. I would hope most priests would welcome it with their parish members in good standing. Protection of self is one thing, but their is something more sacred in the Church. It should be defendable.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2009, 10:04:AM » |
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My only reason for saying that one should ask the Pastor, Tex, is that a Roman Catholic church is a different "dynamic" than other public places. I would venture to say that quite a few pastors would take exception to a parishioner carrying a gun in church. Out of respect for them and in deference to their position as Pastor, asking is just the polite thing to do. Also part of how we approach this should be to keep in mind that a fellow parishioner who may otherwise think that we are a great person might not see the necessity in carrying a gun during mass, rosary, benediction, etc. One does need to keep practicalities like this in mind so that we do not make our fellow parishioners unduly uncomfortable. Also hearing of the once-in-a-blue-moon whacko who attacks a priest in church, to me, is not a mitigating factor. The incidences of these things happening are ridiculously small. I don't believe on this forum I have ever been the person to preach caution regarding one exercising their gun rights I understand your point, Matthew, but my current pastor isn't very receptive to guns, or self-protection even. This is a very liberal NO church, after all. So, I do what I must. Like I said - concealed means concealed- nobody else knows that I'm carrying, except for me, and I carry IWB, in tuckable holsters, so they are well hidden from prying eyes, if there are any around. At worst, I could be made with a 'bump-frisk', but that would be very obvious. When carrying on private property, I think it is best to ask for permission, in this case, the pastor's.
I'm sure a priest would not be troubled by it. I would hope most priests would welcome it with their parish members in good standing. Protection of self is one thing, but their is something more sacred in the Church. It should be defendable.
Not here, unfortunately. Perhaps with the new pastor, but I'm not holding my breath - been burned too many times. |
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2009, 10:06:AM » |
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A few people I know started carrying concealed inside our Catholic church. (Which offers the EF, so the pastor is hard-core and not at all a liberal sissy). When they first asked the pastor for his ok, Father not only allowed them, but he also asked them to please not shoot him unless he was preaching heresy.  |
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2009, 10:19:AM » |
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Father not only allowed them, but he also asked them to please not shoot him unless he was preaching heresy. Well that leaves most of Neverland (Kalifornia) out, we'd REALLY have a shortage of priests. |
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2009, 12:38:PM » |
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A man wearing a suit and tie as is appropriate and fitting for Sunday Mass would have no problem concealing even an owb holster.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2009, 05:47:PM » |
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What would folks here recommend for a guy thinking of acquiring a license here in Illinois (where you can't even say words that rhyme with "gun" in public) who has zero firearms experience? My intention would be home safety. Also, where and how do you store the weapon such that you can get at it if you actually have an intruder, but it is out of the way and sight of family? Thanks.
P.S. I wish I could conceal and carry, but I think the liberals would fire paperclips from rubberbands at me... and then lock me up for life.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2009, 05:54:PM » |
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What would folks here recommend for a guy thinking of acquiring a license here in Illinois (where you can't even say words that rhyme with "gun" in public) who has zero firearms experience? My intention would be home safety. Also, where and how do you store the weapon such that you can get at it if you actually have an intruder, but it is out of the way and sight of family? Thanks.
P.S. I wish I could conceal and carry, but I think the liberals would fire paperclips from rubberbands at me... and then lock me up for life.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2009, 07:43:PM » |
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What would folks here recommend for a guy thinking of acquiring a license here in Illinois (where you can't even say words that rhyme with "gun" in public) who has zero firearms experience?
First of all, apply for your FOID (Firearm Owner ID) as soon as possible, because it can take months to get your card in Illinois, and the Democrats are firmly in power so you never know when they're going to make it harder/more expensive. Then when you're ready to buy, if you don't have a friend who can let you try out some guns, you might ask around at a gun club or shooting range. Don't let lack of experience worry you too much. If you want to get some training, that's great, but don't let people scare you into thinking you need to attend a bunch of classes to use a gun. They're really not that complicated: point the small end at something and pull the trigger. Yes, in the long run you need to learn to clean and care for it and all that, but if you can drive and maintain a car, that's about thousand times more complicated and a heck of a lot more dangerous. Learn where the safety is and where the bullets go, get some practice with it, and you'll be ready to defend yourself if you have to. I agree that a shotgun is probably the best weapon for home defense. You don't have to aim it as accurately, and just the sound of a shell being ratcheted into the chamber will send most burglars looking for a safer target. If you got really sloppy with a handgun you might be able to shoot yourself in the belly, but you'd have to work pretty hard at it to shoot yourself with a shotgun (or rifle) anywhere but the foot. Where to keep it? When I was a kid, my dad's shotgun was always leaning in a corner on the back porch. I have no idea whether it was loaded, because I knew better than to ever mess with it. |
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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2009, 06:56:AM » |
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I have no idea whether it was loaded, because I knew better than to ever mess with it.
It was loaded. |
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2009, 08:01:AM » |
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What would folks here recommend for a guy thinking of acquiring a license here in Illinois (where you can't even say words that rhyme with "gun" in public) who has zero firearms experience?
First of all, apply for your FOID (Firearm Owner ID) as soon as possible, because it can take months to get your card in Illinois, and the Democrats are firmly in power so you never know when they're going to make it harder/more expensive. Then when you're ready to buy, if you don't have a friend who can let you try out some guns, you might ask around at a gun club or shooting range. I just got mine recently and it only took about two weeks. I have heard the opposite, though. |
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2009, 10:59:AM » |
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