neanderthal catholic
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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2009, 06:56:PM » |
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I guess my main questions are not over vailidty of the sacraments. I believe that they are.
It has more to do with having a clear conscience.
The other problem is the Latin Mass is not offered every Sunday where I live. Only 2 Sundays per month. (offered by a diocecean priest)
I am basically dead-locked with no other options. I would have to continue to attend the NO mass at least twice a month.
I remember reading in the Christian Warfare book that attending the NO mass was considered a sin.
What should I do?
I need some good solid answers/advice here.
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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2009, 07:02:PM » |
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I guess my main questions are not over vailidty of the sacraments. I believe that they are.
It has more to do with having a clear conscience.
The other problem is the Latin Mass is not offered every Sunday where I live. Only 2 Sundays per month. (offered by a diocecean priest)
I am basically dead-locked with no other options. I would have to continue to attend the NO mass at least twice a month.
I remember reading in the Christian Warfare book that attending the NO mass was considered a sin.
What should I do?
I need some good solid answers/advice here.
I understand. I am in a similar situation. The SSPX chapel that I attend can only offer Mass twice a month as well. But the Novus Ordo Masses around here are so terrible that I can no longer attend in good conscience. I made a decision and yes, I would love to attend Mass every Sunday, more often than that if it was possible but it just isn't. I am lucky to have confession and Mass when I do. Until the situation improves, I have done what I reasonably can for my soul. |
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neanderthal catholic
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« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2009, 07:13:PM » |
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I guess my main questions are not over vailidty of the sacraments. I believe that they are.
It has more to do with having a clear conscience.
The other problem is the Latin Mass is not offered every Sunday where I live. Only 2 Sundays per month. (offered by a diocecean priest)
I am basically dead-locked with no other options. I would have to continue to attend the NO mass at least twice a month.
I remember reading in the Christian Warfare book that attending the NO mass was considered a sin.
What should I do?
I need some good solid answers/advice here.
I understand. I am in a similar situation. The SSPX chapel that I attend can only offer Mass twice a month as well. But the Novus Ordo Masses around here are so terrible that I can no longer attend in good conscience. I made a decision and yes, I would love to attend Mass every Sunday, more often than that if it was possible but it just isn't. I am lucky to have confession and Mass when I do. Until the situation improves, I have done what I reasonably can for my soul. Thanks for explaining your situation. It helps me greatly. I just got done reading the application for entry into the third order. Condition #4 on the second page clearly states that I could no longer attend a NO mass. I guess I'm out for now. I just could not bring myself to the point of not going to mass twice a month. I have a family and going to mass is the summit of our week. At least the one I go to is a "no frills" one. The priest follows the missal, plain and simple. No drums, no guitars, no dancers. He priest even started a Schola and he offers the TLM once during the week. (hopefully soon he will offer it on Sundays....every Sunday!!!) |
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« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2009, 07:17:PM » |
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I guess my main questions are not over vailidty of the sacraments. I believe that they are.
It has more to do with having a clear conscience.
The other problem is the Latin Mass is not offered every Sunday where I live. Only 2 Sundays per month. (offered by a diocecean priest)
I am basically dead-locked with no other options. I would have to continue to attend the NO mass at least twice a month.
I remember reading in the Christian Warfare book that attending the NO mass was considered a sin.
What should I do?
I need some good solid answers/advice here.
I understand. I am in a similar situation. The SSPX chapel that I attend can only offer Mass twice a month as well. But the Novus Ordo Masses around here are so terrible that I can no longer attend in good conscience. I made a decision and yes, I would love to attend Mass every Sunday, more often than that if it was possible but it just isn't. I am lucky to have confession and Mass when I do. Until the situation improves, I have done what I reasonably can for my soul. Thanks for explaining your situation. It helps me greatly. I just got done reading the application for entry into the third order. Condition #4 on the second page clearly states that I could no longer attend a NO mass. I guess I'm out for now. I just could not bring myself to the point of not going to mass twice a month. I have a family and going to mass is the summit of our week. At least the one I go to is a "no frills" one. The priest follows the missal, plain and simple. No drums, no guitars, no dancers. He priest even started a Schola and he offers the TLM once during the week. (hopefully soon he will offer it on Sundays....every Sunday!!!) That is good! If he does, I would not hesitate to go. Some in the SSPX say that you should not attend another TLM but that is absurd. If I get a chance to hear Mass at a different place on the alternate Sundays I would go in an instant. The Mass is the Mass. |
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« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2009, 07:18:PM » |
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Thanks for your encouragement. I needed a lift.
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« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2009, 07:19:PM » |
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no problem, good luck!
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« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2009, 07:22:PM » |
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TV kills ur brain andshakles ur soul.
I'm not a third order member but havnt had a tele in over ohhhhhh a decade or so.
The big thing is what does the third order rule mean by sobriety. Does it mean no sip at all or does it mean no drunlkness?
Anyone?
Sip
oh dear...that would be difficult. surely they couldn't expect folk to do without a drop ever!  what about watching television online? wouldn't that be breaking the rule as well? |
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« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2009, 04:16:AM » |
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Tv is garbage lad whether on net or tv. Its bad. It sucs ur brain ouir like a bug.
Sipping is not bad. It can be but is not of itself bad.
See the difference.
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« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2009, 04:39:AM » |
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Tv is garbage lad whether on net or tv. Its bad. It sucs ur brain ouir like a bug.
Sipping is not bad. It can be but is not of itself bad.
See the difference.
certainly, but does the third order require its members to stop drinking entirely? that is the question... |
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« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2009, 03:25:PM » |
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certainly, but does the third order require its members to stop drinking entirely? that is the question... Wine was served in the parish hall at my SSPX chapel after Holy Mass this afternoon, to celebrate the Feast of All Saints. Does this answer the question?  (That's me and Devoted Knuckles.)  |
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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2009, 03:37:PM » |
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certainly, but does the third order require its members to stop drinking entirely? that is the question... Wine was served in the parish hall at my SSPX chapel after Holy Mass this afternoon, to celebrate the Feast of All Saints. Does this answer the question? (That's me and Devoted Knuckles.) Not unless all the Mass attendees are also TO members.  |
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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2009, 05:10:PM » |
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If any SSPX tell you that it is a sin to go to the NO mass then they are speaking heresy. The NO appalling though it may be is still valid and endorsed by the local ordinary. To claim that attending mass is a sin is an appalling teaching. It is a directly disobedient and schismatic thing to say. Theoretically you can attend an SSPX mass to fulfill your obligation but your confession should be made to your local ordinary or a priest of the FSSP who is in good standing with the church and functions under the auspices of the bishop.
Occasional attendance of an SSPX may also be praiseworthy as it shows to the local ordinary a kind of resistance against liturgical abuse. The SSPX in the purity of its first days were just mass centres where the faithful could attend a TLM mass. Today however the SSPX operates like a parish and dispenses sacraments and makes judgements upon attendees as if they were in authority. They even put their rulings on the Internet. In fact they have no authority over the faithful. The visiting SSPX bishop even sits in the throne which is reserved for the bishop of the diocese who has ordinary jurisdiction as a direct affront to the legitimate authority.
The Pope has not ruled on the validity of SSPX confessions and marriages therefore the question is in doubt. Why would any right thinking Catholic participate in doubtful sacraments which oppose the local ordinary? One reason that I can think of to explain why the Pope has not come out and said that the SSPX confessions are valid might be because he knows full well that they are not, and that if they are, then on what grounds can any schismatic outfit set up priests and sacraments in opposition to the proper authorities of the church? And the reason the Pope has not come out and said that the SSPX sacraments of penance and holy matrimony are not valid might well be because there would be such an unholy stink sent up to the highest heaven by the hard-liners in the SSPX that he just does not want to spark off open and outright rebellion that will send many souls into peril.
How the Pope is going to unravel this incredible mess that the SSPX has weaved I cannot tell. It seems hopeless. And how will the Pope fix the incredible mess of the modernist NO heirarchy? That too seems hopeless. But with God all things are possible. Oremus.
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Here are the words of Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) regarding the New Mass:
The liturgical reform, in its concrete realization, has distanced itself even more from its origin. The result has not been a reanimation, but devastation. In place of the liturgy, fruit of a continual development, they have placed a fabricated liturgy. They have deserted a vital process of growth and becoming in order to substitute a fabrication.They did not want to continue the development, the organic maturing of something living through the centuries, and they replaced it, in the manner of technical production, by a fabrication, a banal product of the moment.
(Revue Theologisches, Vol. 20, Feb. 1990, pgs. 103-104)
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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2009, 05:23:PM » |
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ill take my usurping bishop over your liberal gay loving one any day. Any church,,,ANY that can allow female priests, communion on the hand and all that other garbage is much worse then what I do. I think God will look much more favorably on SSPX then some of those nasty aweful NO masses. At least ours is done with reverence and respect.
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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2009, 05:48:PM » |
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If any SSPX tell you that it is a sin to go to the NO mass then they are speaking heresy. The NO appalling though it may be is still valid and endorsed by the local ordinary. To claim that attending mass is a sin is an appalling teaching. It is a directly disobedient and schismatic thing to say. Theoretically you can attend an SSPX mass to fulfill your obligation but your confession should be made to your local ordinary or a priest of the FSSP who is in good standing with the church and functions under the auspices of the bishop.
Occasional attendance of an SSPX may also be praiseworthy as it shows to the local ordinary a kind of resistance against liturgical abuse. The SSPX in the purity of its first days were just mass centres where the faithful could attend a TLM mass. Today however the SSPX operates like a parish and dispenses sacraments and makes judgements upon attendees as if they were in authority. They even put their rulings on the Internet. In fact they have no authority over the faithful. The visiting SSPX bishop even sits in the throne which is reserved for the bishop of the diocese who has ordinary jurisdiction as a direct affront to the legitimate authority.
The Pope has not ruled on the validity of SSPX confessions and marriages therefore the question is in doubt. Why would any right thinking Catholic participate in doubtful sacraments which oppose the local ordinary? One reason that I can think of to explain why the Pope has not come out and said that the SSPX confessions are valid might be because he knows full well that they are not, and that if they are, then on what grounds can any schismatic outfit set up priests and sacraments in opposition to the proper authorities of the church? And the reason the Pope has not come out and said that the SSPX sacraments of penance and holy matrimony are not valid might well be because there would be such an unholy stink sent up to the highest heaven by the hard-liners in the SSPX that he just does not want to spark off open and outright rebellion that will send many souls into peril.
How the Pope is going to unravel this incredible mess that the SSPX has weaved I cannot tell. It seems hopeless. And how will the Pope fix the incredible mess of the modernist NO heirarchy? That too seems hopeless. But with God all things are possible. Oremus.
I have really good reason to doubt the validity of the local NO Masses and confessions, that is why I went to the SSPX in the first place. At least I know the SSPX will not make it up as they go and invent things. We all don't have the FSSP or another traditionalist group around to choose from. You are only willing to show token resistance to outrageous liturgical abuse then? For goodness sake, man up! You cannot participate in liturgical abuse and condemn it at the same time. |
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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2009, 05:54:PM » |
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Not to mention, how can some of the sacraments be valid, and others NOT?
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