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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2009, 06:30:AM » |
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I know a lot of people like this too, my own mother for one. They seem rather orthodox, but if you really listen to them you can hear how the New Church mentality has crept into their thinking.
This is true. My 91 year old grandmother informed me a couple of years before she died (when I asked her if she wanted to go to Confession) that the Church had "done away with that years ago." And she went to Mass every single Sunday. |
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« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2009, 11:44:AM » |
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There is a beloved old Sister of Compassion in my town, who is actually in hospice at the moment, but anyways she used to be quite close with my wife's family. anyway, she is old enough to remeber the good ol' days etc, and even talking to her when i switched to Tradition, one could see that she wasn't entirely happy with the way things were, but out of obedience she went along with it all.
Sad. She is rea;;y awesome, though. she truly lives the Rule of her Order (VII changes not withstanding, but even then she still holds to the true spirit of charity that is fundamental to the Sister of Compassion) and wears the habit - i think her holding onto the habit and her religious name is one of the ebst things about her.
In my town we have a few of the NO Brown Joes as well. No habits, and they've all dropped their religious names. No good.
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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2009, 12:07:PM » |
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I've spent the past few days over debating at a Protestant forum. It was refreshing, because you know what? I don't know, am I crazy for saying it or what? I feel like I have a whole new take on the situation.
The NO isn't the enemy. The changes were unfortunate, yes but you know who the real enemies are? The real enemies of the Church are the denominations that exist to hate Catholics. That's where the front line is.
Amen. Remember that our mortal enemy, the Protestant, will never understand the NO-TLM issue. Instead, he seeks to bash the Church and stand against her and reject her authority and her Truth! |
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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2009, 07:58:PM » |
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That's sounds like the NO
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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2009, 08:15:AM » |
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« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2009, 12:21:AM » |
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The NO isn't the enemy...The real enemies of the Church are the denominations that exist to hate Catholics. The NO is protestantism disguised as Catholicism. It's a powerful enemy of the Church striking from within, even more dangerous than the stupid denominations you mentioned. |
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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2009, 03:25:AM » |
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2009, 02:21:AM » |
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The NO isn't the enemy...The real enemies of the Church are the denominations that exist to hate Catholics. The NO is protestantism disguised as Catholicism. It's a powerful enemy of the Church striking from within, even more dangerous than the stupid denominations you mentioned. The Eucharist, all the sacraments, the Mass, the Blessed Mother, the Papacy, these were all things the NO people vehemently defended. |
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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2009, 03:09:AM » |
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The NO isn't the enemy...The real enemies of the Church are the denominations that exist to hate Catholics. The NO is protestantism disguised as Catholicism. It's a powerful enemy of the Church striking from within, even more dangerous than the stupid denominations you mentioned. The Eucharist, all the sacraments, the Mass, the Blessed Mother, the Papacy, these were all things the NO people vehemently defended. If you don't want to see the truth, there's nothing I can do. I'm sure that during the time of St. Athanasius there were many misguided people like you too who wanted to defend the Arian clergy and their religion at all costs, perhaps trying to reconcile their heresies with Catholicism. After all, they were also the majority of the "official" Church back then, so they couldn't be wrong, could they? I can only imagine how Arius brought "new riches" to the Church, purifying her from her old-fashioned approach to the Christological mystery, perhaps even bringing some kind of "new Pentecost" in the eyes of its followers! History repeats itself. |
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2009, 08:51:PM » |
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I know a lot of people like this too, my own mother for one. They seem rather orthodox, but if you really listen to them you can hear how the New Church mentality has crept into their thinking.
This is true. My 91 year old grandmother informed me a couple of years before she died (when I asked her if she wanted to go to Confession) that the Church had "done away with that years ago." And she went to Mass every single Sunday. Same situation. I have my own ol' Irish-Catholic grannie. She's pretty devout, daily communicant, but it turns out she hasn't been to confession in 9 years and doesn't understand how there could be a problem with that. It really stinks. Really genuinely devout people who make serious errors thanks to liberal priests. Makes me furious really. |
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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2009, 12:14:PM » |
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The NO isn't the enemy...The real enemies of the Church are the denominations that exist to hate Catholics. The NO is protestantism disguised as Catholicism. It's a powerful enemy of the Church striking from within, even more dangerous than the stupid denominations you mentioned. The Eucharist, all the sacraments, the Mass, the Blessed Mother, the Papacy, these were all things the NO people carelessly cast away from the Faith. Ah. That's what I thought you said. You oughtn't go around changing people's posts. |
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2009, 12:31:PM » |
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The NO isn't the enemy...The real enemies of the Church are the denominations that exist to hate Catholics. The NO is protestantism disguised as Catholicism. It's a powerful enemy of the Church striking from within, even more dangerous than the stupid denominations you mentioned. The Eucharist, all the sacraments, the Mass, the Blessed Mother, the Papacy, these were all things the NO people vehemently defended. If you don't want to see the truth, there's nothing I can do. I'm sure that during the time of St. Athanasius there were many misguided people like you too who wanted to defend the Arian clergy and their religion at all costs, perhaps trying to reconcile their heresies with Catholicism. After all, they were also the majority of the "official" Church back then, so they couldn't be wrong, could they? I can only imagine how Arius brought "new riches" to the Church, purifying her from her old-fashioned approach to the Christological mystery, perhaps even bringing some kind of "new Pentecost" in the eyes of its followers! History repeats itself. See the truth? I wish you'd go over there and post in the trenches for about a week or two and see for yourself. |
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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2009, 12:51:PM » |
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Vetus Ordo please stop being ridiculous.
To compare the NO to the Arian heresy is a hysterical overstatement of the truth.
The NO is bad, it doesn't emphasize enough the sanctity of the consecrated host as Jesus Christ Himself, Body Blood Soul and Divinity, and there are other problems too, but that's just what they are: problems. It's a poorly designed but valid mass, people should try to attend the Latin Mass if they can but there are lots of good devout practicing Catholics who attend NO exclusively and to call them all heretics is just . . . over the top.
There are too many bad priests and they all use the NO but there are also a lot of good conservative priests who offer the NO. In fact one of the most conservative priests I've met (very kind, gentle, humble man as well) used the NO.
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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2009, 03:46:PM » |
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Vetus Ordo please stop being ridiculous.
To compare the NO to the Arian heresy is a hysterical overstatement of the truth.
The NO is bad, it doesn't emphasize enough the sanctity of the consecrated host as Jesus Christ Himself, Body Blood Soul and Divinity, and there are other problems too, but that's just what they are: problems. It's a poorly designed but valid mass, people should try to attend the Latin Mass if they can but there are lots of good devout practicing Catholics who attend NO exclusively and to call them all heretics is just . . . over the top.
There are too many bad priests and they all use the NO but there are also a lot of good conservative priests who offer the NO. In fact one of the most conservative priests I've met (very kind, gentle, humble man as well) used the NO.
Yes to this, good post and thank you.  There were errors which came out of VII and issues with the the new Mass that need to be addressed. However the problems aren't the fault of the average NO Conservative in the local parish. And I see many of them (on the internet), who seem to be yearning for reverence and even tradition, to a certain extent. Perhaps they've yet to "scratch beneath the veneer"-Bp Williamson put it that way. |
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« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2009, 12:56:PM » |
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Vetus Ordo please stop being ridiculous.
To compare the NO to the Arian heresy is a hysterical overstatement of the truth.
My "ridiculous" analogy stands. I'm sure Catholics like St. Athanasius were also deemed "hysterical" or something even worse by their Arian peers. We're witnessing one of the worst crisis in the Church, perhaps one even worse than the Arian crisis. I understand that it may be hard for you to accept that a de facto new church has grown out of Vatican II, with a new liturgy, new sacraments and a new theology, but the facts show us that it is indeed so. "They are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the pit." [Matthew 15:14] |
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