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Author Topic: "2012: The End Is Coming!"--Or is it?  (Read 1801 times)
Zedta

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« on: October 12, 2009, 03:10:AM »

This article seems to say that the Mayan are a bit upset over all the 2012 hype.  Fo' Shame They seem to believe it all so much unnecessary hype. I guess that aught to be expected once Hollyweired gets a hold of something...it gets really sensationalized, over and over until the original thought is lost in all the BS. I guess all we gotta do is just wait and hide..we'll all find out if this is just another Y2K fiasco or not in a couple of years anyway. But then, man has a habit of self-fulfilling certain prophecies and this one could be one of those Blah, blah, blah. It could be one that pulls down disaster on ourselves...not as the Mayan are said to have predicted, but such changes in our civilization that we would never recognize the end result as a product of what once was. Hopping Mad

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091011/D9B8P09O0.html
 
2012 isn't the end of the world, Mayans insist

Oct 11, 3:58 AM (ET)

By MARK STEVENSON
 
 
MEXICO CITY (AP) - Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.
Or is it?
Definitely not, the Mayan Indian elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."
It can only get worse for him. Next month Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.
At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Curious? Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.
"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."
Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan ideas.
A significant time period for the Mayas does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.
But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials such as one on the History Channel which mixes "predictions" from Nostradamus and the Mayas and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"
It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades - the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological basis.
One of them is Monument Six.
Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over and parts of the tablet were looted.
It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.
However - shades of Indiana Jones - erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.
Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."
Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Mayan sites for dates far beyond 2012 - including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.
And anyway, Mayas in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.
"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."
The Mayan civilization, which reached its height from 300 A.D. to 900 A.D., had a talent for astronomy
Its Long Count calendar begins in 3,114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.
"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."
Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."
If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.
But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.
That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.
Another spooky coincidence?
"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.
"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.
But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.
"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.
As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.
Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity - a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."
While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."
Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."
"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."
The idea apparently originates with a 19th century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.
Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.
While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.
"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."
 

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 03:36:AM »

Indeed this yet another Y2K nonsense-palooza that will surely bring every idiot in this country to pitches of madness.

In regard to the movie 2012, despite its dazzling CGI, I have to ask why ... why did they have to specifically show both the famous statue of Christ the Savior in Brazil and St. Peter's Basilica being obliterated in the trailers? Hmm? ... why not have Mecca's magical black cube engulfed in some freak sand-tsunami or perhaps the wailing-wall crumbling on some hapless Jews? Yeah ... right.

*sigh* ... rant over!

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 04:28:AM »

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said.  I know it's terrible but that struck me as hilarious! Laughing But, ahem, those poor children...must have whacked out parents.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 06:22:AM »

I try not to concern myself with this. The Y2K mania back in my high school years was more than enough. This is the only time I'm glad my family turns to me when it comes to these prophecy things... my mother was already feeling anxious about this. I say, if Jesus himself says only the Father knows when, then by golly I'll go with that. The Creator can end the world anytime and however he wants it, my only concern is not when and how, but WHERE I'll go after.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 06:51:AM »

2012 yes, and before that 2000............and who can forget the "left behind" series of books and movies.

And don't we all remember the "Omen" trilogy as well as nonstop shows on the History channel about the "anti-christ" and end times.

Then we have all the false prophets who have predicted the end of the world with their gullable followers waiting intensely on their every word by men like Charles Taze Russell and the new charlatan of the airwaves Harold Campin.

All believing that God has personally spoke to them and given the exact date of the earth's demise. All deceiving otherswho have been deceived themselves by the master of deception.

Jesus ,who was the truth, declared "No man" knows the day or the hour, not even the angels in Heaven.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 11:14:AM »

What? The world's NOT ending in 2012? Huh? There goes my happy thought,   Sad I thought there might be light at the end of the tunnel, now it's just a[nother] cave in that we'll have to dig out from. Shocked
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 01:09:PM »

What? The world's NOT ending in 2012? Huh? There goes my happy thought

I was hoping it would happen sooner.  Sad
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 01:13:PM »

What? The world's NOT ending in 2012? Huh? There goes my happy thought

I was hoping it would happen sooner.  Sad

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 01:14:PM »

... why did they have to specifically show both the famous statue of Christ the Savior in Brazil and St. Peter's Basilica being obliterated in the trailers? Hmm? ... why not have Mecca's magical black cube engulfed in some freak sand-tsunami or perhaps the wailing-wall crumbling on some hapless Jews? Yeah ... right.

*sigh* ... rant over!

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Because fundamentally, Western culture doesn't care about black cubes or wailing walls. "Each man kills the thing he loves"...

What I mean to say is that neither Islam nor Judaism occupy a comparable place in the Western imagination, to elicit the kind of reaction that seeing Christ evokes for better or worse. Hopefully things will go back to better, rather than keep getting worse  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 01:19:PM »

What? The world's NOT ending in 2012? Huh? There goes my happy thought

I was hoping it would happen sooner.   Sad

 Laughing

I better not say that too loudly... At my age "the end" might come soon enough.  Laughing
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 04:03:PM »

This forecaster thinks 2012 will bring all kinds of trouble.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=112452

Personally, I think 2017, the 100th anniversary of Fatima, is going to be more significant.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 04:41:PM »

Gee, maybe Obama can solve this end of the world thing after he's done with health care and global warming.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2009, 06:03:AM »

Of course, 2012 is not going to be the end.  How else will Doc Brown be able to take Marty McFly to 2015 to stop his kids from going to jail?  Laughing
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2009, 05:32:AM »

I really CANNOT STAND all this hooplah about this so-called "Mayan prophesy."  Like another poster stated, it is just a superpowered sequel to Y2K.

But this time its much, much worse.  I hear of little children who are scared to death about all of this crap.  Who's to wonder why, when every time you turn on the History Channel or Discovery you see shows called "Doomsday 2012" and so forth.  For us as adults who have a strong faith in God, it isn't so bad.  For little children it truly is, and I feel so bad for them.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2009, 12:31:PM »

I really CANNOT STAND all this hooplah about this so-called "Mayan prophesy."  Like another poster stated, it is just a superpowered sequel to Y2K.

But this time its much, much worse.  I hear of little children who are scared to death about all of this crap.  Who's to wonder why, when every time you turn on the History Channel or Discovery you see shows called "Doomsday 2012" and so forth.  For us as adults who have a strong faith in God, it isn't so bad.  For little children it truly is, and I feel so bad for them.
Just because a title sounds interesting to parents, doesn't mean it should be watched with their children. I see this all of the time in Scouts. We have Scouts that you can leave out of earshout for fear of the corruption of their peers. We're talking 10-year-olds here.

It almost makes my youth of stolen flashlight peeks at somebody's big brother's Playboy during a campout appear whistfully wholesome.
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Live your life in such a way that every morning when your feet hit the floor...Satan shudders and says..."Oh No...he's AWAKE!"

Sometimes the Internet reminds me of being in a chicken coop with an infinite number of Chicken Littles at any given millisecond dodging pieces of their falling skies.

There is a subtle difference between "invincible ignorance" and intolerably stupid.
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