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Author Topic: "2012: The End Is Coming!"--Or is it?  (Read 1776 times)
ggreg

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2009, 10:21:AM »

I am going to see the movie, just to watch the Vatican collapse and all the prelates get crushed in the rubble.  The rest of the movie might be crap but that scene alone will be worth the ticket price.

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2009, 11:18:AM »

more BS.  Something Sedes and TIA would say.
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2009, 12:28:PM »

more BS.  Something Sedes and TIA would say.

I think it's a normal response for the abused to have for the abuser. Personally, I just don't want to see the good prelates get crushed and resent the visual imlication of the shattering of the statues of Christ. I'd rather fancy the idea of seeing the Cardinal of Los Angeles having the hyperbolic roof of his monstrosity crashing in while he's seated center front in the sanctuary of his cathedral (as opposed to Christ).
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2009, 03:29:AM »

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2009, 12:28:PM »

I am going to see the movie, just to watch the Vatican collapse and all the prelates get crushed in the rubble.  The rest of the movie might be crap but that scene alone will be worth the ticket price.

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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2009, 12:29:PM »

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That's what I say...let's get this started
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2009, 12:33:AM »

more BS.  Something Sedes and TIA would say.

If I was a sede why would I care? I'd already have my Church in someone's living room.

I don't want Canterbury Cathedral Crushed nor Mecca.  Rome are the problem.  You have to sweep away the old because the rot is too deep.  That's clear.

Pope Pius Xth had a vision of this in 1909.  He had a dream too.
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2009, 01:05:PM »

Well, as for the movie "2012" ;  my priest wrote an interesting thought about it, saying it has metaphors which are not innocent.


I'll translate it:

Beloved believers in Christ,

At the end of the liturgical year the Catholic Church focuses on the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. This creed reminds us of the Royal Triumph, that the incarnate Son of God will achieve over all creatures, when He comes to judge the living and the dead.

Human history then cannot escape the unshakable power, by which the Divine government has subjected everything to our Lord Jesus Christ. But nobody knows the day nor the hour when He will appear in the clouds of heaven, in order to repay everyone according to their preservation of the Divine commandments. Then, this world will cease to exist and is replaced by eternity, where the wicked will be punished for their crimes and the good will be rewarded.

The end of the world is a subject that people occupy.  More or less reliable predictions announce it for a certain time, which will precede catastrophic events.

Soon, the movie "2012", whose content is the destruction of the world according to an ancient Mayan prophecy, will appear in the cinemas. This formation of Roland Emmerich is nothing but a propaganda for the dethronement of our Lord Jesus Christ. The film supposes the salvation of mankind, who can save themselves by the effort of all forces under a joint administration. The Divine Redeemer is unnecessary, because clearly enough the film insinuates the futility of the Christian religion to survive.

Three scenes highlight this subversive message, which sublimates the thought of people by the transformation of the unconscious mind of the viewers:

1. The 38 meter high statue of Christ the Redeemer in the Brazilian city of Rio de Janeiro breaks into pieces.

Following the inauguration of this statue on October 12, 1931 Cardinal Dom Sebastião Leme held a speech in which he let no doubt exist about the purpose of this monument: The Catholic Church is called to convert people to Christ by the mission and (by Her authority) to exercise the Divine Reign over the world. The destruction in the film thus implies the overthrow of the power of our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Church, by which he continues His work of salvation.


2. In the Sistine Chapel forms a crack, that on the famous fresco of the creation of the first man by God, separates both from each other. The crack appears on the very spot where Adams finger is being touched by the finger of God, to give him life.

The film takes up the subject of the secularized world, in which man (without God) finds its progress. Linked to this there is the separation between the Catholic Church and the state based on secularism, which must lead the people, independent from the religion.


3. The dome of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome collapses and swamps the faithful who come to pray for their salvation.

The film indicates the futility of prayer, that the Catholic Church addresses to Christ. The supernatural means are thus useless, the Divine Grace that is acquired  through prayer and the Sacraments, achieves nothing.


In short  "2012"  is a film in which the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ is beaten to pieces by a metaphor, which is not innocent. The quintessence of this work is to convince people that they can be rescued by a worldwide regime. The new world order of Aquarius (in the movie floods are common, that devour whole mountains), the symbol of "New Age", would replace the Christian institutions.

We should not be disturbed by rumors that announce the end of the world, because our Lord Jesus Christ has human history in His hands. Let us now gather under His banner by incessant fighting, that His Kingdom come.

With my priestly blessing,
Father Daniel Fringeli, Prior of Gerwen.

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ggreg

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2009, 05:58:PM »

I think people's faith will be severely tested.  It implies this in the Gospel too.  So perhaps all three won't happen but some event will which will cause the Christian world to doubt as the apostles doubted.

I'm convinced that we are living through a spiritual version of the passion of Our Lord but this time the mystical body is suffering it.

What are the miracle and Chastisement of Garabandal?  What are the future events of Fatima that have not yet take place, but earth shaking events?
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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2009, 03:49:PM »

Well, I guess not so many of the Mayan people think 2012 is "The End" as so many of these moves might make you think they do. Roll Eyes


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6519923/Ignore-the-movie-2012-will-not-be-the-end-of-world-say-Mayans.html


When the disaster blockbuster 2012 opens in cinemas on Friday, film-goers will be treated to an apocalyptic epic that cost more than $200 million to make.
 
By Philip Sherwell in New York and Hernando Garcia in Guatemala City
Published: 3:30PM GMT 07 Nov 2009

Previous1 of 2 ImagesNext A scene from Columbia Pictures' film 2012
 (L-R) Morgan Lily, Amanda Peet and Liam James in Columbia Pictures film 2012
The world is beset by a series of outlandish catastrophes in the much-hyped Sony Pictures movie. An earthquake-devastated Los Angeles slips into the sea, the Vatican collapses, its dome crushing worshippers and a tsunami dumps an aircraft carrier atop an exploding White House. Meanwhile a tidal wave sweeps across the Himalayas and a meteor shower strikes Earth.

The director Roland Emmerich - a veteran of catastrophe in his earlier films Independence Day and The Day After Tomorrow - was inspired by theories that the calendar of the ancient Mayans foretells the end of civilisation on Dec 21, 2012.

 
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Hollywood turns to dogs as new stars of screen"The famous Mayan prophecy inspired an excellent story," he said in a recent interview about what he calls the "mother of all disaster films".

But such a "prophecy" is news to the modern Maya in Guatemala and Mexico. Instead, they view the burgeoning end-of-the-world 2012 industry with a mixture of confusion, exasperation and anger at what is perceived as a Western distortion of their traditions and beliefs.

"There is no concept of apocalypse in the Mayan culture," Jesus Gomez, head of the Guatemalan confederation of Mayan priests and spiritual guides, told The Sunday Telegraph.

Cirilo Perez, an adviser to Guatemala's President Alvaro Colom is a prominent ajq'ij - literally a "day counter", a wise man who makes predictions and advice on the most propitious dates to marry, plant or harvest. He decried the commercial exploitation of Mayan culture by outsiders.

"This has all become business but there is no desire to understand," he said. "When foreigners, or even some Guatemalans, see us, they think 'Look at the Maya, how nice, how pretty', but they don't understand us."

Mayan elder Chile Pixtun recalled how he was bombarded with questions about the end of the world during a recent trip to Britain. "Man, they had me fed up with this stuff," he said, his frustration clear.

The Maya make up about half of Guatemala's 13 million people and many live on less than $2 a day as subsistence farmers - an unimagineably far cry from the colossal budget lavished on 2012, which stars John Cusack, Woody Harrelson and the British actress, Thandie Newton.

In neighbouring Mexico, the Maya are concentrated in the Yucatan peninsula, a popular tourist destination but where local farmer are struggling with drought-like conditions.

"If I went to Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Mayan archaeologist in the Yucatan. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

The ancient Maya, whose civilisation reached its height from 250 to 900AD, were noted for their intricate architecture, mathematical and astronomical expertise and their sophisticated cyclical calendars.

One of those, the Long Count calendar, began in 3114 BC and is believed to end on the winter solstice in 2012, although that date has been the subject of debate among Mayan scholars.

Some New Age groups believe the expiration of the Long Count cycle will correspond to a global "consciousness shift" and spiritual "rebirth" for mankind. But others have developed a doomsday interpretation, citing increased solar sunspot activity and polar realignments as indications that Earth faces a much more dramatic scenario at the end of 2012.

Although the theories may sound more out-of-this-world than end-of-the-world, books and websites promoting the apocalyptic analysis are proliferating.

Sony Pictures has capitalised on all the attention on 2012 with controversial viral marketing campaign for the film based around a website for the fictional Institute for Human Continuity that lists doomsday prospects for the Earth. As the film's trailer puts it, "How will the governments of the world help six billion face the end of the world? Answer: They will not."

The US space agency Nasa has condemned the website after receiving hundreds of inquiries from people who believed it was genuine - including some from teenagers who said they were contemplating suicide because they did not want to experience the end of the world.

With so many wild claims and theories running rife on the Internet, Gary Baddeley, a British writer and producer who runs the New York-based Disinformation Company, produced the documentary 2012: Science or Superstition.

"There can certainly be harm in scaring people that the world is going to end and we're trying to allay some of those fears by explaining what the focus on 2012 is about," he said. And for the Maya, he believes that perhaps the year can bring opportunity rather than curse.

"To the modern Maya in the Guatemala highlands, 2012 means very little and they have not used the Long Count calendar for a long time," he said. "But perhaps they can turn this to their advantage by encouraging understanding of their culture and bringing in some much-needed tourist dollars. It could help put them back on the map."

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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2009, 02:42:PM »

I've seen the trailers for 2012 and there is just way too much CGI in it.  Whole land masses collapse and people are flying taking off from runways that are crumbling to dust beneath them.  The laws of aerodynamics are suspended of course and no debris finds its way into the jet engines.  I hate it when a filmaker ignores the laws of physics and puts too much CGI in a film.  They ruin many a good film like this.
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2009, 06:13:PM »

Some of those trailers add another small detail to the analysis given by Fr. Daniel Fringeli posted above:

The family in the movie escapes from the ruin of California by car and plane thanks to the probabilistic laws of Quantum Theory...
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2009, 10:23:PM »

Note: the following text appeared this morning as a letter to the editor in our local newspaper. Amazing. I know now there is at least one out-of-state reader of the Phoenix who is interested in something other than "Marijuana Reform NOW!" and Haliburton.   
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Don’t joke about 2012; cataclysm will come

This is in reference to David Gerard’s Nov. 8 column “World won’t end in 2012.”

2012 is not a hoax. Roland Emmerich’s “2012” movie trailer pretty much depicts what is to happen. The world doesn’t know all the facts about 2012, least of all, the modern Maya.

As I wrote in my comment, 2012 was known as early as 3,000 BC by the Sumerians/Babylonians, then the Egyptians, then the Maya, as well as the Europeans, and lastly our founding forefathers who laid out Washington, D.C., to reflect 2012 to all visitors as a reminder of that date. Then the knowledge was lost around the 1800s.

Few people know or understand that Christ himself taught it. It is in the Bible, but few people have understood it.

2012 involves many factors but it was understood very well by the ancient world. It is the modern world that is stumbling in the dark about 2012.

It is difficult to say in a few words or sentences what it took to write and fill three books on 2012. Therefore, please read my non-fiction 2012 trilogy, “The Ark of Millions of Years,” the most comprehensive 2012 books in the world based on scientific, historical, biblical and Mayan facts.

Gerard should then write another article on 2012 based on reliable documented facts rather than mere speculation. You owe your readers that much on 2012.

I am a Mayan expert and am the first person to fully understand why the Maya end their long count calendar on Dec. 21, 2012. Many cycles of time end on that date for a reason.

The world will experience a cataclysm on that date, but the cause has never been discussed in forums, only found in my books. Only one-third of the world’s population will survive the cataclysm, and it is also the end of the world.

You will have to read my books in order to understand this statement.

I write under the pen of E. J. Clark.

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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2009, 03:45:AM »

If you write a book about the certain end of the world what is the point in selling it?  Why not just publish it for free on the internet.  Why do you need the money?
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2009, 12:20:PM »

Well, I guess not so many of the Mayan people think 2012 is "The End" as so many of these moves might make you think they do. Roll Eyes

The true Mayan civilization was destroyed many centuries ago.  Modern Mayans didn't even retain knowledge of their hieroglyphs or calendar, and the calendar's function and relevance had to be rediscovered by archaeologists.  So what they think probably doesn't mean much.




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