Reasons A Bishop Would Not Invite FSSP?

[BrevisVir55]

After I saw the thread on the new FSSP parish in Lexington, KY it really got me thinking about why in the world the Bishop of my diocese (Nashville, TN) does not invite the FSSP. He dislikes the SSPX very very much and has written numerous letters to the faithful telling us to under no circumstances attend Mass there. (I had to respectfully disobey because I couldn't be sure I was getting the sacraments at my geographical parish but that is another thread). I will be attending the diocese's Catholic college which is a stone's throw from the Cathedral. It is becoming the center of Catholic life in the diocese. The Bishop is very highly involved with the college. The only TLM in the diocese that anyone in Nashville can attend is an hour away with Mass times at 6am and 4pm on the second and fourth Sunday's of the month. The Bishop had to call a priest out of retirement to say Mass there and His Excellency is supposedly training a couple of other priests to say the TLM but they have been training ever since Summorum Pontificum and none of them have started. I wonder if the Bishop really does not want the traditional sacraments and Mass in his diocese more than he can help it. Is there any way I can do anything to change the situation as a layman? The college students and faculty have some influence in the diocese and I could probably get some folks together and actually have some sort of impact if the Bishop is willing. I was talking to some seminarians from the diocese and they were all learning to say the TLM but they will not be out of the seminary for 6 years. If the SSPX is not regularized soon and more TLM are not being said is there anything I could do? It would be much easier to establish a FSSP parish I would think and I am confused as to why the Bishop would not do it. He obviously does not really want to restore tradition from parishes upward or he would have trained more priests to say the TLM by now...I anticipate much grief once the sisters and the Bishop learn where I attend Mass but honestly His Excellency left me no choice...though I could not say that to him.

Any ideas why we do not have the FSSP? 

[The_Harlequin_King]

Is there any way I can do anything to change the situation as a layman?

Short of having a lot of money? No, probably not.

[Anastasia]

It might not be anything to do with the bishop; the FSSP already has a lot of demand for their priests.

[glgas]

The Assumption Church in Nashville also will hold TLM in every third Sunday at 12:30
http://www.assumptionchurchnashville.org/site.php?view=news

After I saw the thread on the new FSSP parish in Lexington, KY it really got me thinking about why in the world the Bishop of my diocese (Nashville, TN) does not invite the FSSP. He dislikes the SSPX very very much and has written numerous letters to the faithful telling us to under no circumstances attend Mass there. (I had to respectfully disobey because I couldn't be sure I was getting the sacraments at my geographical parish but that is another thread). I will be attending the diocese's Catholic college which is a stone's throw from the Cathedral. It is becoming the center of Catholic life in the diocese. The Bishop is very highly involved with the college. The only TLM in the diocese that anyone in Nashville can attend is an hour away with Mass times at 6am and 4pm on the second and fourth Sunday's of the month. The Bishop had to call a priest out of retirement to say Mass there and His Excellency is supposedly training a couple of other priests to say the TLM but they have been training ever since Summorum Pontificum and none of them have started. I wonder if the Bishop really does not want the traditional sacraments and Mass in his diocese more than he can help it. Is there any way I can do anything to change the situation as a layman? The college students and faculty have some influence in the diocese and I could probably get some folks together and actually have some sort of impact if the Bishop is willing. I was talking to some seminarians from the diocese and they were all learning to say the TLM but they will not be out of the seminary for 6 years. If the SSPX is not regularized soon and more TLM are not being said is there anything I could do? It would be much easier to establish a FSSP parish I would think and I am confused as to why the Bishop would not do it. He obviously does not really want to restore tradition from parishes upward or he would have trained more priests to say the TLM by now...I anticipate much grief once the sisters and the Bishop learn where I attend Mass but honestly His Excellency left me no choice...though I could not say that to him.

Any ideas why we do not have the FSSP? 

[BrevisVir55]

The Assumption Church in Nashville also will hold TLM in every third Sunday at 12:30
http://www.assumptionchurchnashville.org/site.php?view=news

Wonderful! If only the diocese would list current TLM times so folk would know about it...

Thank you for that good bit of news!

[glgas]

Here is the  list of the Extraordinary Form masses from the Latin Mass Society

http://web2.airmail.net/carlsch/MaterDei/churches.htm

Wonderful! If only the diocese would list current TLM times so folk would know about it...

Thank you for that good bit of news!

[MeaMaximaCulpa]

It could be a number of reasons, but the major one is probably money.  It costs money for the diocese to invest in a personal parish.  There's also got to be quite a bit of demand.

Aside from that, there also may be tensions in the presbyterate and the bishop may be worried about fanning the flames.

Finally, the FSSP might be unwilling to start a new mission.  They're already being stretched since the motu proprio.  When I was attending an FSSP parish near my college, they had four different priests in the rectory in the course of a year.  They're being shuffled everywhere, and even with relatively good ordination classes, they're still thin.

[glgas]

These are the 2008 data for the FSSP in the America


North American District
Fr. Flood, FSSP, Superior
59 Priests, 32 Houses, 51 Sunday Mass Centres, 35 Dioceses, 2 Countries

Matthew 9:38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he send forth labourers into his harvest.

[joe17]

 This isn't a direct answer for why some bishops would not invite the FSSP, but the scenario in some cases is similiar.  I know that a while after the Indult was permitted, my old pastor and 4 of his priest friends requested permission of the Archdiocese of Boston to have a Sunday Mass at one of their parishes.  The pastor was on board(regular, NO parish,), would still have the NO, they would supply what is necessary and they were all older, pre-VII priests(coverage would not be a problem).  The powers that be shot it down-"too divisive" as the saying goes.  Shows the true colors which some of the men in charge in the NO still have.  Why attract a following.  Some of those that would go to the FSSP w/o knowing much about the old faith beforehand would finally see through the nonsense they have been feed since VII and would distance themselves(to some extant, anyway) from the NO.  That move is not welcome in chancery offices.  My two cents.

  Joe

[DJR]

After I saw the thread on the new FSSP parish in Lexington, KY it really got me thinking about why in the world the Bishop of my diocese (Nashville, TN) does not invite the FSSP. He dislikes the SSPX very very much and has written numerous letters to the faithful telling us to under no circumstances attend Mass there. (I had to respectfully disobey because I couldn't be sure I was getting the sacraments at my geographical parish but that is another thread). I will be attending the diocese's Catholic college which is a stone's throw from the Cathedral. It is becoming the center of Catholic life in the diocese. The Bishop is very highly involved with the college. The only TLM in the diocese that anyone in Nashville can attend is an hour away with Mass times at 6am and 4pm on the second and fourth Sunday's of the month. The Bishop had to call a priest out of retirement to say Mass there and His Excellency is supposedly training a couple of other priests to say the TLM but they have been training ever since Summorum Pontificum and none of them have started. I wonder if the Bishop really does not want the traditional sacraments and Mass in his diocese more than he can help it. Is there any way I can do anything to change the situation as a layman? The college students and faculty have some influence in the diocese and I could probably get some folks together and actually have some sort of impact if the Bishop is willing. I was talking to some seminarians from the diocese and they were all learning to say the TLM but they will not be out of the seminary for 6 years. If the SSPX is not regularized soon and more TLM are not being said is there anything I could do? It would be much easier to establish a FSSP parish I would think and I am confused as to why the Bishop would not do it. He obviously does not really want to restore tradition from parishes upward or he would have trained more priests to say the TLM by now...I anticipate much grief once the sisters and the Bishop learn where I attend Mass but honestly His Excellency left me no choice...though I could not say that to him.

Any ideas why we do not have the FSSP? 

LATIN

Mass Times

Assumption Church: Traditional Latin Mass (or Extraordinary Form Mass, not Novus Ordo) third Sunday of each month, 12:30 p.m., 1227 7th Ave. N., Nashville. Info:  615-256-2729  615-256-2729 .

Tridentine Rite Mass at St. Catherine Church, Columbia, 2nd Sunday of every month, 6 a.m., St. Catherine Church, 3019 Cayce Lane, Columbia. Info:  931-388-3803  931-388-3803

Tridentine Rite Mass at St. Catherine Church, Columbia, 4th Sunday of every month at 4 p.m., St. Catherine Church, 3019 Cayce Lane, Columbia. Info:  931-388-3803  931-388-3803 .

St. Mary Church: Mass in Latin (Novus Ordo Missae) First and Third Sundays of Each Month, 9:00 a.m., 330 Fifth Ave. Nth., Nashville. Info:  615-256-1704  615-256-1704
 

http://www.byzcath.org/Nashville/

The Schedule for Divine Liturgy for the remainder of the year is (all dates on Saturdays at 6 pm, at St. Patrick Catholic Church, 1219 Second Avenue South, Nashville, TN 37210, with a potluck dinner to follow):

October 24
November 28
December 19

Please, check back often as there may be additional Divine Liturgies posted. All Services are in English.

Lay (Sung) Vespers are held on Saturdays at 6 p.m., at St. Patrick's. On the occasion of Divine Liturgy, Vespers will not be held. Also, if the Church has an event to take place at that time, this site will post the cancellation of the service. An email will go out to those on the list as well. (If you want to be added to the list please contact Kim or Dennis below).

As a reminder, our home is at St. Patrick Catholic Church, 1219 Second Avenue South, Nashville, TN 37210,  615-256-6498  615-256-6498 , Fr. David Perkin, Pastor. Please remember to keep the Eastern Catholic Community in middle Tennessee in your prayers-that we would get a priest.

A bit of a drive, but:

Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory Forever!

Saint Thomas the Apostle is the first Tennessee mission of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, established by Bishop ROBERT Moskal of the Eparchy of Saint Josaphat (Parma, Ohio). We currently celebrate Divine Liturgy every Sunday at 10:00 AM, preceded by Great Vespers on Saturday evening at 6:00 PM. Please check the schedule page for holy day information and any alterations to the standard schedule.


Our services are held in the chapel of:
The Chancery of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Knoxville
805 South Northshore Drive
Knoxville, TN 37919
Our thanks to Diocese of Knoxville for making their facilities available to us.

The Ukrainian Catholic Church is one of 22 catholic churches in union with our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI. If you live in the Knoxville area and looking for a spiritual home, we encourage you to join us and experience the 1500-year-old liturgical tradition of the Byzantine Rite. If you are visiting Tennessee, we are located about an hour from the Smoky Mountain National Park and related recreational areas. We would be glad to have you join us.

Please contact us if you need further information.

[BrevisVir55]

After I saw the thread on the new FSSP parish in Lexington, KY it really got me thinking about why in the world the Bishop of my diocese (Nashville, TN) does not invite the FSSP. He dislikes the SSPX very very much and has written numerous letters to the faithful telling us to under no circumstances attend Mass there. (I had to respectfully disobey because I couldn't be sure I was getting the sacraments at my geographical parish but that is another thread). I will be attending the diocese's Catholic college which is a stone's throw from the Cathedral. It is becoming the center of Catholic life in the diocese. The Bishop is very highly involved with the college. The only TLM in the diocese that anyone in Nashville can attend is an hour away with Mass times at 6am and 4pm on the second and fourth Sunday's of the month. The Bishop had to call a priest out of retirement to say Mass there and His Excellency is supposedly training a couple of other priests to say the TLM but they have been training ever since Summorum Pontificum and none of them have started. I wonder if the Bishop really does not want the traditional sacraments and Mass in his diocese more than he can help it. Is there any way I can do anything to change the situation as a layman? The college students and faculty have some influence in the diocese and I could probably get some folks together and actually have some sort of impact if the Bishop is willing. I was talking to some seminarians from the diocese and they were all learning to say the TLM but they will not be out of the seminary for 6 years. If the SSPX is not regularized soon and more TLM are not being said is there anything I could do? It would be much easier to establish a FSSP parish I would think and I am confused as to why the Bishop would not do it. He obviously does not really want to restore tradition from parishes upward or he would have trained more priests to say the TLM by now...I anticipate much grief once the sisters and the Bishop learn where I attend Mass but honestly His Excellency left me no choice...though I could not say that to him.

Any ideas why we do not have the FSSP? 

LATIN

Mass Times

Assumption Church: Traditional Latin Mass (or Extraordinary Form Mass, not Novus Ordo) third Sunday of each month, 12:30 p.m., 1227 7th Ave. N., Nashville. Info:  615-256-2729  615-256-2729 .

Tridentine Rite Mass at St. Catherine Church, Columbia, 2nd Sunday of every month, 6 a.m., St. Catherine Church, 3019 Cayce Lane, Columbia. Info:  931-388-3803  931-388-3803

Tridentine Rite Mass at St. Catherine Church, Columbia, 4th Sunday of every month at 4 p.m., St. Catherine Church, 3019 Cayce Lane, Columbia. Info:  931-388-3803  931-388-3803 .

St. Mary Church: Mass in Latin (Novus Ordo Missae) First and Third Sundays of Each Month, 9:00 a.m., 330 Fifth Ave. Nth., Nashville. Info:  615-256-1704  615-256-1704
 

http://www.byzcath.org/Nashville/

The Schedule for Divine Liturgy for the remainder of the year is (all dates on Saturdays at 6 pm, at St. Patrick Catholic Church, 1219 Second Avenue South, Nashville, TN 37210, with a potluck dinner to follow):

October 24
November 28
December 19

Please, check back often as there may be additional Divine Liturgies posted. All Services are in English.

Lay (Sung) Vespers are held on Saturdays at 6 p.m., at St. Patrick's. On the occasion of Divine Liturgy, Vespers will not be held. Also, if the Church has an event to take place at that time, this site will post the cancellation of the service. An email will go out to those on the list as well. (If you want to be added to the list please contact Kim or Dennis below).

As a reminder, our home is at St. Patrick Catholic Church, 1219 Second Avenue South, Nashville, TN 37210,  615-256-6498  615-256-6498 , Fr. David Perkin, Pastor. Please remember to keep the Eastern Catholic Community in middle Tennessee in your prayers-that we would get a priest.

A bit of a drive, but:

Glory to Jesus Christ!
Glory Forever!

Saint Thomas the Apostle is the first Tennessee mission of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, established by Bishop ROBERT Moskal of the Eparchy of Saint Josaphat (Parma, Ohio). We currently celebrate Divine Liturgy every Sunday at 10:00 AM, preceded by Great Vespers on Saturday evening at 6:00 PM. Please check the schedule page for holy day information and any alterations to the standard schedule.


Our services are held in the chapel of:
The Chancery of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Knoxville
805 South Northshore Drive
Knoxville, TN 37919
Our thanks to Diocese of Knoxville for making their facilities available to us.

The Ukrainian Catholic Church is one of 22 catholic churches in union with our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI. If you live in the Knoxville area and looking for a spiritual home, we encourage you to join us and experience the 1500-year-old liturgical tradition of the Byzantine Rite. If you are visiting Tennessee, we are located about an hour from the Smoky Mountain National Park and related recreational areas. We would be glad to have you join us.

Please contact us if you need further information.

I never even knew that there was a Byzantine Catholic community in Nashville! That's very interesting. Thanks!

[DJR]

I never even knew that there was a Byzantine Catholic community in Nashville! That's very interesting. Thanks!

I don't have any information on whether the Ukrainian Catholic priest that comes to Nashville is the same priest who pastors the mission in Knoxville, but if that happens to be the case, just so you'll be aware and won't be scandalized, he is married and has a family.

http://www.dioceseofknoxville.org/?news=3610&menu=1462&level=1

http://www.dioceseofknoxville.org/?news=3742&menu=1462&level=1

[Resurrexi]

Is there any way I can do anything to change the situation as a layman?

Short of having a lot of money? No, probably not.

How much money would you say is enough to sway a bishop's decision?

 

[churchesoffortwayne]

Some bishops are too corrupted by the progressive age that came about in the 60s and 70s and many just dont like it because they dont like what is old, they see it as archaic and no one can understand it.  They say it is for many just a way to rebell that is breeds secadventist people and that would be damageing.

The biggest excuse I get is no one knows latin, yea, well if people took the time to teach their kids like others do we would not have this problem, aka jews learn hebrew, orthadox learn greek, islamic learns arabic, ukranians learn their language.  and that is way you have the missle I tell people, they still resist and say well the music is too tough to sing, and we dont have the equiptment, yea you can find stuff on ebay on the cheap usually they dont know, and the last one is that its too restraining to people they want to talk along and the ladies should not have to put on a head cover, I wish to tell them all that is holy is vailed and why would you not wish to be like Mary your mother do you not love her as the model of christian ladies?