Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2009, 08:04:AM » |
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Choosing between the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and a protestant service?
Is that even a question?
Choosing between a valid and licit Ordinary Form of the Latin Rite and a Mass that, while valid, violates Canon Law and is celebrated by a group that is schismatic? Is that even a question? Living in an imaginary world where the NO is still the Catholic Church or waking up and facing the tough reality? The NO is not the Catholic Church. The TLM, or any other rite, isn't the Catholic Church either. The tough reality is that Satan assaults in the Church in every way to cause us to leave it. Satan knows it can't win, but it can drag many people down with it. Everyone who leaves the Church does so because they are somehow convinced they are doing "good". Those feminists, liberals, modernists, sedes, and others are all in common in that they put themselves above the Church and judged Her with their own pride. That is the tough reality. Our pride is the deadliest weapon of Satan. |
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« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2009, 09:44:AM » |
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Choosing not to drink cyanide is not being full of pride.
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Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2009, 01:48:PM » |
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Choosing not to drink cyanide is not being full of pride.
Wow. Regardless of the lack of logic, there is not one single misspelled word there. The wow also applies to the statement's meaning. All of the heretics of history have said such things. |
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Vetus Ordo
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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2009, 10:56:PM » |
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Choosing not to drink cyanide is not being full of pride.
Wow. Regardless of the lack of logic, there is not one single misspelled word there. The wow also applies to the statement's meaning. All of the heretics of history have said such things. I'm sorry but you're completely delusional, Rosarium. Continue to feed the NO Church all you want, continue to attend their protestant services that offend Our Lord if satisfies your ego and makes you feel comfortable. Your soul is at risk though. |
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"O MARY, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."
"Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church." - Pius IX, Singulari Quidem.
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Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2009, 10:57:PM » |
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Choosing not to drink cyanide is not being full of pride.
Wow. Regardless of the lack of logic, there is not one single misspelled word there. The wow also applies to the statement's meaning. All of the heretics of history have said such things. I'm sorry but you're completely delusional, Rosarium. Continue to feed the NO Church all you want, continue to attend their protestant services that offend Our Lord if satisfies your ego and makes you feel comfortable. Your soul is at risk though. I am delusional? Good, I didn't think this sort of post could possibly exist in objective reality. I do not know the basis for your statements, if they are not figments of my imagination. I do not know about your soul, but I do know there is a problem of logic here. |
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Vetus Ordo
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« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2009, 11:03:PM » |
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I do not know about your soul, but I do know there is a problem of logic here.
The only serious problem of logic here is to think that the N.O. Church, i.e. the post-Vatican II hierarchy, is still the Catholic Church. |
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"O MARY, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."
"Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church." - Pius IX, Singulari Quidem.
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Arun
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« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2009, 11:11:PM » |
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i don't attend the NO under any circumstances. when there's been no TLM on rare occasions i stay home and read the missal as advised by Society priests.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2009, 11:14:PM » |
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I do not know about your soul, but I do know there is a problem of logic here.
The only serious problem of logic here is to think that the N.O. Church, i.e. the post-Vatican II hierarchy, is still the Catholic Church. See The Rules. |
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Vetus Ordo
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« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2009, 11:18:PM » |
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If you don't agree with me, fine, I can see that you don't. I'm sorry about that but only God can change your mind. However, give me a break. I know what the rules of these fora are and I haven't broken anyone of them as far as I can tell. |
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"O MARY, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."
"Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church." - Pius IX, Singulari Quidem.
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« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2009, 12:22:PM » |
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I had never read the rules before and oh my word... when the moderators are no longer extremely preoccupied, they may have lots of work unless they call a Jubilee...
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« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2009, 07:34:PM » |
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+1 Rosarium.  |
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mamalove
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« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2009, 10:16:PM » |
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true story
we were on vacation for 3 weeks, and planned on being in places where we could go to a TLM for Sunday.
Well, first Sunday I pack the children and DH off to Mass (i stay in hotel with sick baby) I also (unfortunately) keep the computer (with the microsoft streets and trips program). Husband only has directions I have written down for him. They get almost to church, and there is a freakin running marathon going on, and the whole street is blocked off, and husband cannot cross it. He is in a strange city, and has no map, and has NO WAY to figure out how to get there on time. They come back to the hotel. They cannot make the TLM, so I find them another Mass on Masstimes.com. Its a freakin tambourine and electric guitar Mass. Yes, they even broke out the wa wa pedal. My husband and children were mortified.
made us very thankful for all of the TLM Masses we attended afterwards, and for our TLM here at home. Also made us sure the computer was with us, and the battery was charged up for the next Sunday in a strange town.
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The Grace of God our Savior hath appeared to all men, instructing us that, denying ungodliness and worldly desires, we should live soberly, and justly, and godly in this world, looking for the blessed hope and coming of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ, Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us form all iniquity, and might cleanse to Himself a people acceptable, a pursurer of good workd. These things speak, and exhort: in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Blessed is the man who hath not walked in the counsel of the ungodly
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Nic
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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2009, 05:23:AM » |
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Scipio, I voted for the TLM regardless. Although I prefer to attend the SSPX first and foremost, with the FSSP and the ICK a distant second - I would attend the SSPV or the CMRI any day before I would set foot in a Novus Ordo Mass ever again. I think that it is impossible for one to fulfill their Sunday Obligation at a sacrilegious Mass, and for me and the culpability that I possess concerning the knowledge that I have of the current situation, I believe that I would be in mortal sin if I attended the N.O. Mass. I have a feeling that you feel the same way, Scipio.  God Bless. |
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"For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
--Ephesians 6:12
Do battle, children of light, you, the few who see thereby; for the time of times, the end of ends, is at hand.
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I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Petertherock
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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2009, 10:52:AM » |
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This was posted in another forum in a discussion about the same topic...
I discussed this situation in the confessional (FSSP priest) a few months ago. I actually was going to confession for something else, but thought I'd ask about me having missed going to Mass the previous Sunday, since I was out of town on a vacation. I told him that a TLM was not available.
He then asked if a regular Catholic church (or diocesan church - can't remember his exact words) in the town, and I said, yes, there probably was. He then said that unless it's a grave inconvenience, then I have to go to mass at the local Catholic church. He then said something about just sitting in the back of the church with my missal...something like that.
I didn't think to ask about whether or not it would be okay to not attend due to an irreverent Mass, but I suspect that his answer would still be the same.
He considered that it was a mortal sin for me to miss Mass, and gave me the appropriate penance as such. I guess I'll just have to consider it as a good test of character for me to have to go to an NO Mass when I go on vacation next.
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Darryl
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« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2009, 02:24:PM » |
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The priests at my parish (SSPX) have mentioned a few times, that culpability derived from full knowledge of what the NO Mass esentially is and is not, would render it sinful to attend.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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