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Author Topic: Council of Trent dilemna  (Read 1811 times)
Stubborn

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« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2009, 05:15:PM »

Check out: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/vatican2/ordinal.htm
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Oldavid

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« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2009, 05:28:PM »

Still St. Pius X taught that "This is My Body...This is...My Blood" were all that were necessary. Most theologians for a time have held that opinion, which makes it very safe.

Really? When?   It doesn't seem likely since this is a proposition explicitly condemned by both St. Tom and  Trent (council....St. Pius V)
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GodFirst

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« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2009, 05:49:AM »

Still St. Pius X taught that "This is My Body...This is...My Blood" were all that were necessary. Most theologians for a time have held that opinion, which makes it very safe.
Really? When?   It doesn't seem likely since this is a proposition explicitly condemned by both St. Tom and  Trent (council....St. Pius V)
In his episcopal Catechism. It's not infallible. These are the kinds of problems that need to be solved by the Pope. What exactly does Trent and the Angelic Doctor said again? Do they say that the Mass would be invalid because I don't remember?
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Servus_Maria

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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2009, 05:58:AM »

The canon doesn't say that the Mass will always be perfect and a great expression of the Catholic faith. All it says is that the Mass will not be an incentive to impiety. The Novus Ordo Mass, in the original form, consists of bible readings, a consecration and prayers. Sure they're bland and stripped of a lot of Catholic content but nothing in it is actually heretical.

"“If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments and outward signs, which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of Masses, are incentives to impiety rather than the service of piety: let him be anathema.”

Can someone tell us what "ceremonies, vestments and outward signs" found in the actual Missal of Paul VI are incentives to impiety?
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ggreg

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« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2009, 11:27:AM »

You judge a tree by the fruits.  Not the seed or the bark.

Judged by the fruits the new mass is one huge incentive to impiety.  It was designed by the freemason Bugnini to be exactly that.
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Servus_Maria

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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2009, 01:12:AM »

You judge a tree by the fruits.  Not the seed or the bark.

Judged by the fruits the new mass is one huge incentive to impiety.  It was designed by the freemason Bugnini to be exactly that.

People apply that principle far too liberally. Judged by certain fruits God must love the pentecostal Mega-Church in my city that draws 3 thousands kids each Sunday night.
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« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2009, 02:16:AM »

You judge a tree by the fruits.  Not the seed or the bark.

Judged by the fruits the new mass is one huge incentive to impiety.  It was designed by the freemason Bugnini to be exactly that.

People apply that principle far too liberally. Judged by certain fruits God must love the pentecostal Mega-Church in my city that draws 3 thousands kids each Sunday night.

Wow...incisive...LOL


Ummm it does not matter if a fellowship brings in 3 million...if they don't believe...the fruit will still be rotten....

Does he love it when they lie at the fellowship at say they "feel the "Holy Spirit"  (I say spirit...since that's the prot word for the Holy Ghost)

Does he love it when all of them are not in Church but at fellowship...Huh? nope.

The pentagram "church" is not....it is a fellowship...the fruit of it will always be rotten in the end...UD's mom is a Pentecostal ...creepy...they are all creepy...and their notions of Our lady are simply blasphemous and disgusting

Not to mention the way they live...sin without confession...no remorse about being shitty parents...the list goes on.


SO yeah....you'll know them by their fruits....



It's not that the term is over used...IT IS UNDER USED
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GodFirst

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« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2009, 10:46:AM »

Quote from: Servus_Maria
The canon doesn't say that the Mass will always be perfect and a great expression of the Catholic faith. All it says is that the Mass will not be an incentive to impiety. The Novus Ordo Mass, in the original form, consists of bible readings, a consecration and prayers. Sure they're bland and stripped of a lot of Catholic content but nothing in it is actually heretical.
Great heresies have started before from the change of only one word! It could be heresy but just not dogmatically defined as such yet. Is heresy not "stripping" some Catholic doctrines but keeping others? You could possibly say the same thing about some Lutheran service books. Heresy not only about what is say, but what is NOT said as well.
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"“If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments and outward signs, which the Catholic Church uses in the celebration of Masses, are incentives to impiety rather than the service of piety: let him be anathema.”

Can someone tell us what "ceremonies, vestments and outward signs" found in the actual Missal of Paul VI are incentives to impiety?
The Missal itself though at least seems to have destroyed the faithful's piety though, for its consequences are what is going on today or at least what may be its consequences. There's no doubt that according to a very holy Cardinal and former Prefect of the Holy Office that even the original Latin new Missal "represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session XXII of the Council of Trent"  and that "the "canons" of the rite definitively fixed at that time provided an insurmountable barrier to any heresy directed against the integrity of the Mystery". Is it not heresy to desire to, and to, take away from the Missal prayers that are an insurmountable barrier to any heresy against the Mass?
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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2009, 10:51:AM »

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Quote from: ggreg
You judge a tree by the fruits.  Not the seed or the bark.

Judged by the fruits the new mass is one huge incentive to impiety.  It was designed by the freemason Bugnini to be exactly that.
People apply that principle far too liberally. Judged by certain fruits God must love the pentecostal Mega-Church in my city that draws 3 thousands kids each Sunday night.
Good Fruits are not numbers, but the Virtues and Gifts and Fruits of God the Holy Ghost.
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ggreg

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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2010, 06:37:PM »

Not much of a cheese shop is it?

Finest in the district sir!

Explain the logic underlying that conclusion.

Well it's so CLEAN sir.

It's certainly uncontaminated by cheese.
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