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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2009, 01:36:AM » |
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Maybe He just wanted to brighten the void up a bit.
Must be pretty boring sitting there in the void.
Stars are very pretty. The Universe is pretty cool place. Certainly on my top ten list of places to see.
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2009, 02:19:AM » |
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Oh dear!
He must have got something wrong. Not enough bright sparks around here to show up in the dark.
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 07:50:AM » |
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Maybe He just wanted to brighten the void up a bit.
Must be pretty boring sitting there in the void.
Stars are very pretty. The Universe is pretty cool place. Certainly on my top ten list of places to see.
That is a flawed view  There is no "void" except where God is not actively present (I have no idea who to express this concept, so don't hold me to that wording). It helps if you view the entire universe as a marble. The "emptiness" we see out there is only big to us. For God, it is something He holds easily. The distance has no meaning to anyone but us. In fact, I don't see how there could be a "void" at all, unless God sets aside a "place" where He does not work, like Hell. It is like saying the light bulb made a room because it was afraid of the dark. Where God is, there can be no void. |
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2009, 03:29:PM » |
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Well Rosarium,
I am encouraged! There is a spark in the dark!
Regards.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2009, 11:24:PM » |
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Is no-one interested in this subject?
It seems important to me.
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2009, 05:18:AM » |
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I have always been fascinated by the thought that there are multiple (many?) worlds out there, all needing the Second Person to suffer for their redemption. Think of the amount of divine love that requires!
But if that premise is true then wouldn't that make Mary "a" Mother of God and "a" Queen of Heaven rather than "the"?
This is where my head starts to hurt!
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2009, 05:31:AM » |
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Avus,
I'm not surprised that your head hurts.
Watch this space.
Presently, there is no good reason to believe that there are other worlds "out there".
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2009, 09:51:AM » |
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2009, 09:02:PM » |
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I hope those funny little faces don't mean that I've offended someone. If they do then I unreservedly apologise. No offence intended.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2009, 08:57:AM » |
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I thought that I had added something positive to this spot. In fact I'm sure I did.
Am I being frozen out?
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2009, 09:19:PM » |
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May I join in to say that ultimately creation is a mystery inasmuch as love is the mysterium itself. The love-relationship of the self-revealed Triune God has analogy in the human lover's folly to love prodigally and sufficiently to excess. This goodness spreads itself into creation - profusely - thus the unimaginable vastness of space, even possibly multiverses (as opposed to universe), the immense diversity of life, the unfathomable time. This principle of excess in cosmic creation and in life where 'it squanders much in order to save one living one' has root in Thomism, even earlier thoughts in the Sixth century. Yeah, the Mother of God is also the Queen of the multiverse (if they existed)!
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2009, 09:51:PM » |
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Allright,
thanks for the prompt, I'll try to re-create the original message (that disappeared).
No grandiose verbosity.
I assume that we're talking about God creating the universe.
God created the universe:
1 Because He can.
2 It is the nature of goodness to do good.
That implies that God "thinks" that His creation is good. And I, at least, am not going to argue with Him about that.(Or anything else for that matter). .
it is of the nature of goodness to do good
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2009, 09:53:PM » |
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Allright,
thanks for the prompt, I'll try to re-create the original message (that disappeared).
No grandiose verbosity.
I assume that we're talking about God creating the universe.
God created the universe:
1 Because He can.
2 It is the nature of goodness to do good.
That implies that God "thinks" that His creation is good. And I, at least, am not going to argue with Him about that.(Or anything else for that matter). .
it is of the nature of goodness to do good
But one needs to make the distinction that it was a gratuitous giving. God is good, but when you say that goodness creates this seems to imply that He had to create because of His nature (or if He didn't create He would be less good). But we cannot say that. Every piece of Christianity falls apart if you ever say that God needed to create the universe. That is the first and most fundamental distinction in Christianity. |
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2009, 12:08:AM » |
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Good of you to reply to me Walty.
I thought I must have had some kind of leprosy that could be transmitted through these wires.
We mustn't think that God is like us just because He made us a little like Himself.
God can't contradict His own nature.
His nature is good. Indeed, I would suggest that there is nothing good but that what God "wants".
We cannot say what? If it's here then we can only say that God at least permitted it.
No piece of Christianity "falls apart" if we say that God Must be God.
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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2009, 11:45:AM » |
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Good of you to reply to me Walty.
I thought I must have had some kind of leprosy that could be transmitted through these wires.
We mustn't think that God is like us just because He made us a little like Himself.
God can't contradict His own nature.
His nature is good. Indeed, I would suggest that there is nothing good but that what God "wants".
We cannot say what? If it's here then we can only say that God at least permitted it.
No piece of Christianity "falls apart" if we say that God Must be God.
No, but God is and can be fully God even without creating. That is the important element that must be distinguished. He is perfect all by Himself and needs nothing else to add to His goodness or greatness. |
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