P**%$ng on Jesus-Jewish tradition

[voxpopulisuxx]

Right.  I didn't say that they were still the chosen people, just that they were and that they clearly had an ethnic identity then.  And the fact that there are some Jews who are Jewish by faith and not by ethnicity does not prove that there is no such thing as a Jewish ethnicity.

irrelevant as I never said any thing about ethnicity
the point of the op is that those who call themselves "Jews whatever that means
feel no qualms about mistreating Christians while Christians have become brainwashed into thinking Jews are somehow pre Christians or pro Christianity
the op points out the fallicy and hypocrisy of so called or self titled Jews and naivete of the Christianzionist

[FrancisB]

And I merely said that my experience has been that actual practising Jewish people act differently than those who consider themselves ethnically/culturally Jewish.  The latter group is invariably the group that I've seen acting in an antagonistic way toward Christ and his followers.  The writer is entitled to his opinions; I just think they're a little over-general.

[jovan66102]

Vox, have you ever read 'The Jews and the Vatican' (or is it 'The Vatican and the Jews' ) by le Vicomte Leon de Poncins? It is full of blasphemous attacks on Our Lord and our Holy Faith from Jews. So much so that I honestly thought he had to be making them up until I did a little research into the books, etc. that he was quoting! And these are from believing Jews, theologians and philosophers.

[FrancisB]

I'm speaking to my experience here in New York State, not that far from the largest Jewish community in the world.  I've never doubted that some Jewish people, even the faithful, have said terrible things about Christ and about the Church.  I've no doubt that Catholics say terrible things about the Jewish people.  To say that they are wrong-headed in denying Christ is certainly true.  To say that most Jewish people are hell-bent on desecrating Christian symbols and hostile to Christians, however, is a different idea altogether.

[voxpopulisuxx]

I'm speaking to my experience here in New York State, not that far from the largest Jewish community in the world.  I've never doubted that some Jewish people, even the faithful, have said terrible things about Christ and about the Church.  I've no doubt that Catholics say terrible things about the Jewish people.  To say that they are wrong-headed in denying Christ is certainly true.  To say that most Jewish people are hell-bent on desecrating Christian symbols and hostile to Christians, however, is a different idea altogether.

you are practicing what th op is addressing
WRONG HEADED?!
You are bending over backward to use euphamism
why?
The evidence for anti christianity in Jewry is well documented
remember a movie called ThePassion?
The nation state of Isreal is openly opposed to Christians preaching the faith on it's territorys
and are you saying the Hollywood Jews are not practicing?
Where is the evidence?

[FrancisB]

And again I say, I did not deny that some Jews are anti-Christian.  What I said is that it has not been my experience that this is a universal truth, or even close to it.  I'm not defending their refusal to accept the True Faith.  I'm saying that not all Jews are Christian-haters and they don't all want to piss on images of Our Lord.  It seems to me that you probably have not known as many Jews as I have.  In truth, the biggest anti-Christians I have ever met were all atheists, and mostly raised Catholic.  They were the ones who literally bragged about pissing on churches and were openly critical of Christ and the Church.  And as for the "Hollywood Jews" as you call them, I see little evidence that any of them go to synagogue, even on the High Holy Days.  When's the last time you heard Jerry Seinfeld talk about going to temple?  A quick check on-line shows no evidence of Seinfeld setting foot in one.  Where is the evidence that the "Hollywood Jews" (whoever you mean by that) actually do go to temple?  And yes, I know that there are always Jewish leaders coming out of the woodwork to cry anti-Semitism at the drop of a hat; that was the issue with the Passion of the Christ (which is the pride of my DVD collection).  That said, constantly crying anti-Semitism is not actually the same thing as spitting/pissing on Christian images.  Seriously, you act as though I am claiming that no Jew has ever done anything against Christ, which is not at all what I am saying.  What I am saying is that painting all or most Jews as Christ hating anti-Christian bigots is going too far in the other direction.  And, by the way, you aren't going to convince many Jews to convert by saying that they're all a bunch of Christ-haters, and the conversion of the Jews is something that we are supposed to pray for, isn't it?

[CrusaderKing]

Right.  I didn't say that they were still the chosen people, just that they were and that they clearly had an ethnic identity then.  And the fact that there are some Jews who are Jewish by faith and not by ethnicity does not prove that there is no such thing as a Jewish ethnicity.

As I've heard it described in the past, Judaism is the religion, Hebrew is the race. There are Hebrews who are not Jews, and there are Jews who are not Hebrews. 

[voxpopulisuxx]

And again I say, I did not deny that some Jews are anti-Christian.  What I said is that it has not been my experience that this is a universal truth, or even close to it.  I'm not defending their refusal to accept the True Faith.  I'm saying that not all Jews are Christian-haters and they don't all want to piss on images of Our Lord.  It seems to me that you probably have not known as many Jews as I have.  In truth, the biggest anti-Christians I have ever met were all atheists, and mostly raised Catholic.  They were the ones who literally bragged about pissing on churches and were openly critical of Christ and the Church.  And as for the "Hollywood Jews" as you call them, I see little evidence that any of them go to synagogue, even on the High Holy Days.  When's the last time you heard Jerry Seinfeld talk about going to temple?  A quick check on-line shows no evidence of Seinfeld setting foot in one.  Where is the evidence that the "Hollywood Jews" (whoever you mean by that) actually do go to temple?  And yes, I know that there are always Jewish leaders coming out of the woodwork to cry anti-Semitism at the drop of a hat; that was the issue with the Passion of the Christ (which is the pride of my DVD collection).  That said, constantly crying anti-Semitism is not actually the same thing as spitting/pissing on Christian images.  Seriously, you act as though I am claiming that no Jew has ever done anything against Christ, which is not at all what I am saying.  What I am saying is that painting all or most Jews as Christ hating anti-Christian bigots is going too far in the other direction.  And, by the way, you aren't going to convince many Jews to convert by saying that they're all a bunch of Christ-haters, and the conversion of the Jews is something that we are supposed to pray for, isn't it?

your anecdotal evidence cannot over come the very anti Christian mindset in the media and intellectual and political cultures of the USA that are dominated by thir own admission by Jews
does it matter if you make a distinction that they do not ?
And what of the orthodox Jews who do most certainly dispise all things Christian both here and in national isreal?
They go to temple do they not.
And really the issue is about Influential jewry isn't it, not what the majority of those you know who call themselves Jews do or say.
Ultimately if they are sincere Jews they Must deny Christ Jesus... So Ironically the less sincere and un practicing Jew would be easier to reach

[anamchara]

Christ claimed to be the Messiah.  Christ claimed to be the Son of God.  Christ claimed to be our Savior: the Way, the Truth and the Life.  Jews deny the truth of our Lord's solemn declarations.  In so doing, they necessarily regard Him as a conman or a madman.  It stands to reason the Talmud places Him in boiling excrement in hell.

I count Jews among my close friends.  They are kind and decent and loyal friends.  I value their insights on sports, politics, economics, literature, philosophy, ethics, music, art, interpersonal relations, the just war hypothesis, etc.  They don't talk about their denial of my people's story (i.e., that God Himself came down to earth, died on a cross and rose from the dead to save us from our sins) and I don't talk about my denial of their people's story (i.e., eternal persecution at the hands of the eternally envious goyim, which culminated in the gas chambers and systematic extermination of six million of their co-religionists, which in turn necessitated the founding of Israel, "a land without a people for a people without a land").  I know where they stand.  They know where I stand. 

In fact, I find the Jewish characterization of Christ more intellectually honest than the namby-pamby mainstream secularist version.  One cannot regard Christ as both a great moral teacher and a conman.  If He's one, He's not the other.  In reality, the namby-pamby secularists are just as anti-Christ as the Jews.  They're calling Christ a liar, too.  But, any way you cut it, whether atheist or religious, whether they desecrate Christian symbols or not, the Jews are anti-Christ. 

Christ said He would be a divisive figure in history.  Christ, being Lord, knew of what He spoke.   

[voxpopulisuxx]

Your sentments were well stated
However Christ is not Our Story
He is the Truth for All mankind whether they accept it or not
Rome has proclamed Christ the King of the Jews from the very beginning
they told Rome to say he SAID he was their king Rome said thru Pilate I have written what I have written.

[anamchara]

Your sentments were well stated
However Christ is not Our Story
He is the Truth for All mankind whether they accept it or not
Rome has proclamed Christ the King of the Jews from the very beginning
they told Rome to say he SAID he was their king Rome said thru Pilate I have written what I have written.

I agree our story is the True Story.  But, granting the Resurrection-deniers the benefit of the doubt (which they may or may not deserve), I'm trying to point out, in the interests of fairness if nothing else, and to the larger culture if nobody else, that we're entitled to our Story as a matter of course--indeed, as a matter of civil and political rights.  If the Jews can deny our Story without committing thought crime and risking imprisonment, then we should be permitted to deny their story without committing thought crime and risking imprisonment.   

[voxpopulisuxx]

True true!
So how come they won't let us
and how is it they weild so much power against those who deny "their story"

[anamchara]

True true!
So how come they won't let us
and how is it they weild so much power against those who deny "their story"

They care less about Truth than they care about worldly success.  No, it's worse than that: they equate Truth with worldly success.  They wield power because they apply themselves to the acquisition of worldly success without regard to Truth, whereas we not-of-this-world Christians apply ourselves to the acquisition of Truth without regard to worldly success. 

I'm speaking in general terms here.  Obviously, there are Jews who doggedly pursue the Truth (in one way, shape or form) without regard to worldly success and professed Christians who doggedly pursue worldly success without regard to Truth.  For example, the Jewish agnostics Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard sacrificed career advancement to advance Austrianism in the face of the prevailing Keynesianism of their times.  Sadly, they both rejected the Alpha and Omega of Truth Himself, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  There's no accounting for priorities sometimes.   

[Arun]

Voxx and Francis;
In the same as there are some freemasons who aren't rabid infiltrating satanists, at the lower levels of masonry, most of whom are blissfully unaware of the realities of masonry, there are also some jews who are not necessarily raving anti-Christian lunatics, and most of these belong to modern forms of judaism,  or watered down judaism. many of these are followers of rabbis who don't really offer explicit opinions on Christ and His Faith, or at least do not tend to focus heavily on such topics. because of this it is easy to come to the misconception that "the jews" are not all anti-Christian etc etc, but much of this comes down to the use of the broad term "jews"
however, when one examines the beliefs, practices, teachings etc of the "real mccoy" judaism, orthodox and talmudic judaism, we see exactly what the o.p. is talking about.

and it is these examples which are the truth and reality of that particular religion, not the watered down non-persecutive one.
the truth of the matter is evident, it's right there to see.

[devotedknuckles]

Having lived with a jew a hasid for years  though a bad hasid she still was one. I put me o2 in.
My ex was a jew full blooded blond blue eyed red lipped from the polish russian border. She was as far racially from semetic u can be. There is no way she was of the ancient semetic stock. But she would shut up about being from the desert yadda yadda yeah I know I thought she was talkin about the commies too.
He family were good hasids despised me. As a matter of fact I can't think of anyone I hav e met who so hoistile and fulluy despised me for being a catholic and at that time a very bad one. Besides a few rabid prodas in belfast even the majority of prods didn't hold this venom. As a goyim her family hated me. Which was the reason this jew braught a drunk dk ovber in the first place.
LoL
So francisb they may claim to be a race but they r not. And most can't be traced back to semitic stock most r ashkanazi just like me ex.
She taught me allot. And I learned allot from my time interacting with those creeps. As a matter of fact I saw how empty there religion is.
I like payos as much as the other guy. I do admit purim was loads of fun and its harsh getting smashed trying to recite the hebrew alhabet backwards. And the hats and beards LOL.
Thank god I'm a catholic!!!!
Sip
But it should be stressed its actually part of a discipline for pius jews to be anti christian and to spit on crosses or crucifexes and churches. This can't be denied. I have seen it I have stopped it I won't allow it!! And so a good smack if ever u see it will go along way to stop it!