P**%$ng on Jesus-Jewish tradition

[Anastasia]

True true!
So how come they won't let us
and how is it they weild so much power against those who deny "their story"

They care less about Truth than they care about worldly success.  No, it's worse than that: they equate Truth with worldly success.  They wield power because they apply themselves to the acquisition of worldly success without regard to Truth, whereas we not-of-this-world Christians apply ourselves to the acquisition of Truth without regard to worldly success. 

I'm speaking in general terms here.  Obviously, there are Jews who doggedly pursue the Truth (in one way, shape or form) without regard to worldly success and professed Christians who doggedly pursue worldly success without regard to Truth.  For example, the Jewish agnostics Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard sacrificed career advancement to advance Austrianism in the face of the prevailing Keynesianism of their times.  Sadly, they both rejected the Alpha and Omega of Truth Himself, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  There's no accounting for priorities sometimes.   

If it's any consolation, before he died Rothbard accepted the Catholicism as true- but I'm not sure if he went ahead and was baptized. I know, it doesn't mean much without the baptism but still.....

[timoose]

It is interesting to note that the Ethiopians which were saved by the raid on Entebbe were tested for their DNA and all are Jewish. The Jews have the most complete study of DNA done just for these reasons. Which has made me wonder this if they inter-marry, and if these so called lost jews are in fact jews by DNA, is it environment which makes them look like their surrounding people?? More clearly are physical traits caused and subsequently bred in by the choice in marriage, is this natural selection?
tim

[Arun]

ethiopians.... so selasse was right!? well, partially....

[anamchara]

If it's any consolation, before he died Rothbard accepted the Catholicism as true- but I'm not sure if he went ahead and was baptized. I know, it doesn't mean much without the baptism but still.....
[/quote]

Really?  This is news to me.  I know Rothbard admired Catholic culture and civilization--he was something of an aficionado of German baroque churches.  But I had no idea he came close to a deathbed conversion.  Do you have a source?   

[voxpopulisuxx]

 :laughi :laughing:ng:

cant top that DK

[voxpopulisuxx]

It is interesting to note that the Ethiopians which were saved by the raid on Entebbe were tested for their DNA and all are Jewish. The Jews have the most complete study of DNA done just for these reasons. Which has made me wonder this if they inter-marry, and if these so called lost jews are in fact jews by DNA, is it environment which makes them look like their surrounding people?? More clearly are physical traits caused and subsequently bred in by the choice in marriage, is this natural selection?
tim

its also interesting to note that the Hollywood jews and Isreali govt discriminates against these Jews and THEY ARE ACTUALLY GENETICALLY FROM ONE OF THE TRIBES....these "people who are not My people",....and the synagog of satan are very very discriminitory twords blacks even if their Jews.

[Anastasia]

If it's any consolation, before he died Rothbard accepted the Catholicism as true- but I'm not sure if he went ahead and was baptized. I know, it doesn't mean much without the baptism but still.....

Really?  This is news to me.  I know Rothbard admired Catholic culture and civilization--he was something of an aficionado of German baroque churches.  But I had no idea he came close to a deathbed conversion.  Do you have a source?   
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I heard this from my grandfather, who was one of his best friends, and they had debates over religion frequently. When presented with the logic, Mr Rothbard ended up admitting that the doctrines of Catholicism were the truth. But I'm not sure he acted on the belief.

[anamchara]

Your grandfather was best friends with Rothbard?  How very cool!  I've read so much Rothbard I feel as if I knew him myself.  He certainly advanced my knowledge of economics and human action.  He was a towering intellect--a giant among midgets in his field.

[tg315]

I've known many Jewish people in my life.  I have to agree with you, BrevisVir, the only ones who were rabidly anti-
Christian were atheists, and the atheist former-Christians (including former-Catholics) I've known have been just as bad.  I don't see this behaviour as part of the lifestyle of practising Jews so much as Jewish-by-birth atheists.

Just by denying Christ they show themselves to be of Anti-Christ. And Judaism isnt a race its an apostate religion.

How can Judaism be an apostate religion if it preceded Christianity?

[tg315]

Christ claimed to be the Messiah. 

Actually Luke (2:11) and John (1:41; 20:31) claimed he was

Christ claimed to be the Son of God.

Since all Jews consider themselves to be Children of God, this is probably true. However, the capitalisation comes from Greek text since in Hebrew there are no capital letters

Christ claimed to be our Savior: the Way, the Truth and the Life. 

And what of the last 2,000 years of warfare, including among Christians?

Jews deny the truth of our Lord's solemn declarations.

Are you aware that in Judaism a claimant to Messiah role has to satisfy certain criteria?

In so doing, they necessarily regard Him as a conman or a madman. 

"They" who? You have names?

It stands to reason the Talmud places Him in boiling excrement in hell.

See here http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesus.html#hell what it really says

But, any way you cut it, whether atheist or religious, whether they desecrate Christian symbols or not, the Jews are anti-Christ. 

And why do you think Jews think this way?

[Herr_Mannelig]

I've known many Jewish people in my life.  I have to agree with you, BrevisVir, the only ones who were rabidly anti-
Christian were atheists, and the atheist former-Christians (including former-Catholics) I've known have been just as bad.  I don't see this behaviour as part of the lifestyle of practising Jews so much as Jewish-by-birth atheists.

Just by denying Christ they show themselves to be of Anti-Christ. And Judaism isnt a race its an apostate religion.

How can Judaism be an apostate religion if it preceded Christianity?

They didn't precede. The only follow what they think are the traditions of those who preceded Christianity.

This is like saying Samaritanism is the true religion.

[devotedknuckles]

Again if u knew religous jews observant hasid then u wpuld know how much they despise CHRIST. How's many hasids have u known brevis? How many observant orthodox jews have u known francisb?
I spent some years being in their homes even at saders and purims
Don't take it from me I doubt ur open ti even listining go to the local luvabitch center and see for yourself

[James02]

And what of the last 2,000 years of warfare, including among Christians?

And what about the thousands of years of Jewish warfare and chastiements from God for the Jews worshipping demons and sacrificing their babies to demons?
The point is what?  This is classic Jewish materialism.  The Earth and Man are fallen.  We can save ourselves, individually through the grace of our glorious Lord Jesus.  Bu the world can not be saved.  It will always be infested with pagans, heretics, Jews, schismatics, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, and other non-Catholics.  So sin, war, and violent death will reign until the end.

16 And the Lord said to Moses: Behold thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, and this people rising up will go a fornicating after strange gods in the land, to which it goeth in to dwell: there will they forsake me, and will make void the covenant, which I have made with them,

32 Not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt: the covenant which they made void, and I had dominion over them, saith the Lord.

Are you aware that in Judaism a claimant to Messiah role has to satisfy certain criteria?

Of course we are.  That is why Catholics are now the Chosen people and Jews stumble around in blindness.  Thousands of years and you still won't admit it, though you suspect Jesus is the Messiah.  Jesus fulfilled the prophecies.  The temple was destroyed 40 years after His mission.  How blind you are.

And why do you think Jews think this way?

It's called logic.   Jews reject Jesus.  That is the end of any compromise.  You either convert and save yourself, or go before God and be judged.  Without a sacrifice to propitiate God for His just Wrath against your sins, you will cast yourself into hell.  The only difference between you and me is that I have Grace and participate in a propitiating sacrifice.  You will stand naked in your sin.  Please pray to God for the Truth, and repent of your Kabala sorcery.  We don't want you to burn in hell.

[Norbert]

Right.  I didn't say that they were still the chosen people, just that they were and that they clearly had an ethnic identity then.  And the fact that there are some Jews who are Jewish by faith and not by ethnicity does not prove that there is no such thing as a Jewish ethnicity.

From the rules for this board: There is also the fact that the word "Jew" is used to refer not only to practitioners of a religion, but also to members of an ethnic group -- many of whom are not religious at all. When speaking of Jewish people, clarify exactly what you mean (practitioners of a religion or members of an ethnic group) and know that true racism of any sort is not allowed on this forum (moderators moderate with a sensible, "Steve Sailer" attitude toward the topic of "race").

From the fish eaters section on jewish/catholic relations:  Let's clear the "race thing" up once and for all. There are obviously "racial differences" among general populations of people who've historically come from various places of the world, i.e., some people are brown-colored, some are white, some are reddish-brown, etc., and temperament, intelligence, propensity for alcoholism, even the ability to metabolize alcholol, etc. have some genetic influence. A group whose people have lived in area X under conditions Y and Z for thousands of years, mating with people from that same area, will pass on their successful genetic characteristics to their children to the exclusion of passing on traits from other populations. Though it is politically incorrect to speak of "racial differences" at all, that they exist or don't exist is not a matter of bigotry, but a simple question of fact -- fact which is of no ultimate concern to the Christian because, in addition to the fact that there are few people of "pure race" (good luck, in other words, determing how to categorize during that scientific experiment that determines "racial characteristics"!), all people are created in the image of God and all are called to recover their likeness to Him through Baptism and metanoia, etc. There is no genetic trait that determines one's potential to love God and there is no genetic trait that should make a person of race X (wherever the lines of "race" are exactly) uncharitable to a person of another race. Any talk of race being a determining factor in politics (as in Nazism and Zionism), in religion (as in "Christian Identity" or Judaism), or in whom we should love (as in everyday bigotry) is evil. What is of concern to Christians are idealogy and culture.
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It's both .  And we're supposed to be distinguishing who we're talking about.

[voxpopulisuxx]

Obviously were discussing jewish as defined by CULTURE and Religion. Not DNA, Our Lady and the Apostles are Jewish DNA, ABe foxman is culturally and (religiously?) Jewish
It goes without saying as per the context of the OP