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Would somebody please clarify the following for me? I know that a person can gain more than one partial indulgence within a day. But regarding the prayers to be offered for the intentions of our Pope, does one have to pray for the Pope for every indulgence that one hopes to gain? Or does praying for him once in a day suffice to gain multiple partial indulgences? I don't want to sound stingy with my prayers for our dear Holy Father, but I would really like to focus on offering indulgences for the Poor Souls this month and want to make sure that I understand the norms correctly. There are so many holy opportunities with praying the rosary, reading Scripture, Adoration of Our Lord; I just want to make sure if I'm suppose to offer additional prayers for our Pope after each act.  God Bless! |
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2009, 11:59:AM » |
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I just checked the Norms for Indulgences and, as I thought, there is no requirement for prayers for the intentions of the Holy Father in order to receive a partial indulgence. Only for a plenary indulgence, limited to one a day except at the point of death.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2009, 03:47:PM » |
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We receieve the benefits of Christ by faith ALONE.
Wrong. We are saved by hope. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Or, we are saved by perseverance: And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved. Oh, wait, it is believing and being baptised: He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned. Or was it calling on the name of the Lord? And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved. No...it wasn't... Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. You are forgetting: Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. Just because it isn't in the "Bible", doesn't mean it is not true. All God commanded was by word of mouth and by tradition. These are found in the Church, passed on from the apostles, given to them by the Lord. You have nothing but the Church's approved collection of writings, somewhat mangled (probably some books are removed), and with a heretical creed by sinners. Sola Scriptura is false (see above). Sola Fide is false also. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2009, 05:00:PM » |
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Would somebody please clarify the following for me? I know that a person can gain more than one partial indulgence within a day. But regarding the prayers to be offered for the intentions of our Pope, does one have to pray for the Pope for every indulgence that one hopes to gain? Or does praying for him once in a day suffice to gain multiple partial indulgences? I don't want to sound stingy with my prayers for our dear Holy Father, but I would really like to focus on offering indulgences for the Poor Souls this month and want to make sure that I understand the norms correctly. There are so many holy opportunities with praying the rosary, reading Scripture, Adoration of Our Lord; I just want to make sure if I'm suppose to offer additional prayers for our Pope after each act. God Bless! I must forthrightly inform you that indulgences are a myth, and the Bible no where allows any such belief. An indulgence, as you know, is a remission of the temporal punishment for sins which have already been forgiven, and they are granted by the Roman Catholic Church "dipping into" the treasury of merit, made up of the merits of Christ plus the prayers and good works of Mary and the saints--which are then dispensed to the person who needs them. This is pure fantasy. We receieve the benefits of Christ by faith ALONE. None of our good works can in any way effect the latter state of those who have passed on. The general tenor of Psalm 49:7 applies: "None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him" . All those who have died in Christ know that all of their deserved punishment was taken on by their Savior and they can rest in Him. Refresh your memeory and read Isaiah 53. The Bible does contain an example of an indulgence. You can find it in the second Book of Macchabees, which is canonical Sacred Scripture. Indulgences were not instituted by the Catholic Church; we inherited the concept from the ancient Jews. The Books of Macchabees, which form the only basis for the celebration of Chanukah, is proof that the Jews believed in the concept of indulgences. We do not receive the benefits of Christ by faith alone. That is a myth, found nowhere in the Bible. The phrase "faith alone" is contained in the Bible only once, in the Epistle of Saint James, and it directly refutes Protestant doctrine. See James 2:24: "Do you see that by works a man is justified and not by faith only?" It could not be clearer. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2009, 05:03:PM » |
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We do not receive the benefits of Christ by faith alone. That is a myth, found nowhere in the Bible. The phrase "faith alone" is contained in the Bible only once, in the Epistle of Saint James, and it directly refutes Protestant doctrine. See James 2:24: "Do you see that by works a man is justified and not by faith only?"
It could not be clearer.
Since this thread seems to have been completely derailed anyway, may I hazard a question? How do the various Protestant sects deal with James? If I recall correctly, it remained within the Protestant bibles. Or am I wrong about that? |
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2009, 05:29:PM » |
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We do not receive the benefits of Christ by faith alone. That is a myth, found nowhere in the Bible. The phrase "faith alone" is contained in the Bible only once, in the Epistle of Saint James, and it directly refutes Protestant doctrine. See James 2:24: "Do you see that by works a man is justified and not by faith only?"
It could not be clearer.
Since this thread seems to have been completely derailed anyway, may I hazard a question? How do the various Protestant sects deal with James? If I recall correctly, it remained within the Protestant bibles. Or am I wrong about that? It's still there. And the answer to the question depends upon which Protestant you ask. There is no unity among Protestants as to how to interpret James, and their answers are all over the board, as they are with regard to many other passages. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2009, 05:39:PM » |
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Since this thread seems to have been completely derailed anyway, may I hazard a question? How do the various Protestant sects deal with James? If I recall correctly, it remained within the Protestant bibles. Or am I wrong about that?
Most ignore it. You see, they follow their pre-conceived notions first, then use the Bible to justify it. Everyone can do this. There are people using the Bible to "prove" all sorts of things, including the virtues of homosexuality. Luther tried to remove it, however, the entire Bible is full of "problems", so if they hacked out every problem verse for them, the Bible would lo k li e h s. |
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 07:31:PM » |
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The Bible does contain an example of an indulgence. You can find it in the second Book of Macchabees, which is canonical Sacred Scripture. Indulgences were not instituted by the Catholic Church; we inherited the concept from the ancient Jews. The Books of Macchabees, which form the only basis for the celebration of Chanukah, is proof that the Jews believed in the concept of indulgences. The Old Testament also speaks of the "Jubilee Year" with its liberation from earthly debts. I see the Church's indulgences as sort of the same principle, only in the spiritual realm. These favors come from the same reservoir of grace - the atoning sacrifice of Christ on Calvary. It's just that Israel's indulgences anticipated the future, while the Church's indulgences draw from the past. CHRIST is still the Source of all favors, temporal and spiritual. - Lisa |
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