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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2009, 10:57:AM » |
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Brother Anthony is pretty outspoken. Look carefully here. I could be wrong but I think they are sedevacantist?
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2009, 05:47:PM » |
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Brother Anthony is pretty outspoken. Look carefully here. I could be wrong but I think they are sedevacantist?
He claims to assist at an SSPX chapel - so I wouldn't go as far as to say he's sedevacantist - but then again I'm sure there are sedevacantists in the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, Diocesan, etc. His blogs are very outspoken. http://www.blogger.com/profile/10944698343440161652 |
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 07:53:AM » |
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Brother Anthony is pretty outspoken. Look carefully here. I could be wrong but I think they are sedevacantist?
The order itself is not sede, but he became sede and left the order. It is very sad. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 11:09:PM » |
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I am a member of this Third Order. it is overseen by the Capuchins in Morgon. not sure about Br Anthony, but Br Pio Francis, the former rector, stepped down from his position and left the Fraternity after becoming a sedevacantist. The Fraternity itself is not sedevecantist. one is required to sign a declaration prior to entry declaring that they believe Pope Benedict XVI to be the Pope.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2009, 05:06:AM » |
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2009, 10:10:AM » |
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According to the profile on his blog, he is currently assisting at an SSPX chapel and knows Fr. Morgon (Third Order Franciscan superior for the SSPX).
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2009, 05:04:PM » |
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Morgon is the area where the Couvent Saint-Francois is located in France.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2009, 09:46:AM » |
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According to the profile on his blog, he is currently assisting at an SSPX chapel and knows Fr. Morgon (Third Order Franciscan superior for the SSPX).
As Arun wrote, Morgon is the town in France where a group of traditional Capuchins (the Couvent Sant-Francois) is located. The SSPX provides for this group, but the SSPX has no authority to start any kind of religious order, nor does any SSPX priest possess the authority to oversee this third order. Those who join the group, depending on the rule, may be able to offer their profession before an SSPX priest, but in a normal situation they might be allowed to do so in front of any priest, since a Fransiscan may not always be around. It is also possible for a small third order group to ask an SSPX priest to be their chaplain or spiritual advisor, but that is the extent to which the SSPX has any authority over such a group. The third order and the Capuchins are merely associated with the SSPX, not under their direction. I think however, you are confusing the name of the town (Morgon) and the SSPX priest (Fr. Morgan). Fr. Morgan is an SSPX priest who is the DIstrict Superior of Great Britain. He is not a Fransiscan priest, nor is he associated with this third order. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2009, 04:33:PM » |
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According to the profile on his blog, he is currently assisting at an SSPX chapel and knows Fr. Morgon (Third Order Franciscan superior for the SSPX).
As Arun wrote, Morgon is the town in France where a group of traditional Capuchins (the Couvent Sant-Francois) is located. The SSPX provides for this group, but the SSPX has no authority to start any kind of religious order, nor does any SSPX priest possess the authority to oversee this third order. Those who join the group, depending on the rule, may be able to offer their profession before an SSPX priest, but in a normal situation they might be allowed to do so in front of any priest, since a Fransiscan may not always be around. It is also possible for a small third order group to ask an SSPX priest to be their chaplain or spiritual advisor, but that is the extent to which the SSPX has any authority over such a group. The third order and the Capuchins are merely associated with the SSPX, not under their direction. I think however, you are confusing the name of the town (Morgon) and the SSPX priest (Fr. Morgan). Fr. Morgan is an SSPX priest who is the DIstrict Superior of Great Britain. He is not a Fransiscan priest, nor is he associated with this third order. Generally in an area where the Third Order is established, there will be a Society priest who has been given authroity to receive and profess Tertiaries. In our area its Fr Laisney. |
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2009, 10:43:PM » |
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According to the profile on his blog, he is currently assisting at an SSPX chapel and knows Fr. Morgon (Third Order Franciscan superior for the SSPX).
As Arun wrote, Morgon is the town in France where a group of traditional Capuchins (the Couvent Sant-Francois) is located. The SSPX provides for this group, but the SSPX has no authority to start any kind of religious order, nor does any SSPX priest possess the authority to oversee this third order. Those who join the group, depending on the rule, may be able to offer their profession before an SSPX priest, but in a normal situation they might be allowed to do so in front of any priest, since a Fransiscan may not always be around. It is also possible for a small third order group to ask an SSPX priest to be their chaplain or spiritual advisor, but that is the extent to which the SSPX has any authority over such a group. The third order and the Capuchins are merely associated with the SSPX, not under their direction. I think however, you are confusing the name of the town (Morgon) and the SSPX priest (Fr. Morgan). Fr. Morgan is an SSPX priest who is the DIstrict Superior of Great Britain. He is not a Fransiscan priest, nor is he associated with this third order. Generally in an area where the Third Order is established, there will be a Society priest who has been given authroity to receive and profess Tertiaries. In our area its Fr Laisney. This is the case with many third orders and confraternities. Because priests of the order are not often available, any priest can receive the promises and admit members. I don't know how the rule of this congregation works, but it's probably not that Fr. Laisney has been given the authority, but more likely that, as a Catholic priest, the rule grants him the ability to receive the profession. |
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"Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." -- Feste, Twelfth Night, William Shakespeare
"My father told me never kill anything you're not going to eat. At the age of 9, I shot a porcupine. It was the toughest lesson I ever had." -- Ernest Hemingway
"If you only knew the irony of your humorlessness."
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2009, 02:12:AM » |
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No, he has been specifically given that authority. Also, my spiritual director was given written permission to receive me but was unable to due to scheduling difficulties. Fr Laisney is the priest whom has been given permission to receive and profess all Franciscan tertiaries in our area.
Not sure about how it works with other Third Orders, but like I say, with this one they've been given permission by the Rev Fr Guardian of Morgon.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 09:20:PM » |
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No, he has been specifically given that authority. Also, my spiritual director was given written permission to receive me but was unable to due to scheduling difficulties. Fr Laisney is the priest whom has been given permission to receive and profess all Franciscan tertiaries.
Not sure about how it works with other Third Orders, but like I say, with this one they've been given permission by the Rev Fr Guardian of Morgon.
Good to know. In other such groups, often any priest can receive the profession or admit new members. That is the case with other Franciscan tertiary groups. The traditional group of Franciscan sisters in Kansas City is a tertiary group (they're lay women who take the religious vows, wear a habit and follow the third order rule) has had their professions heard by any of a number of Society priests and have no over-seers in the Franciscan order. That is one unfortunate difficult with these sisters, since they, properly speaking, have no Superior. They don't, properly speaking, answer to the SSPX, nor do they have a larger Franciscan group overseeing this congregation (like the third order you describe, run out of Morgon). Outside of such third orders, I am familiar with "Holy Name Society", an Archconfraternity of the Church run under the auspices of the Dominican Order. The Dominicans need to approve the establishment of a group to have it officially established, but after this is accomplished, then the pastor, local Ordinary or any priest appointed by either can approve and accept the the entry of a gentleman into the membership. The Dominicans, since they could not oversee the minutia of each chapter, allow any parish priest to act on their behalf. |
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A half-drunk, overly-idealistic, sleep-deprived music teacher.
Firmly opposed to the Fraternity of the Perpetually Scandalized
"Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage." -- Feste, Twelfth Night, William Shakespeare
"My father told me never kill anything you're not going to eat. At the age of 9, I shot a porcupine. It was the toughest lesson I ever had." -- Ernest Hemingway
"If you only knew the irony of your humorlessness."
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Oh, and one other thing in response to it being connected to the SSPX, i forgot to mention the original members of that particular fraternity (Br Pio and Br Anthony) were both Third Order SSPX, but were permitted to leave and join the TOSF as it is a higher calling. So it was, if not now, very connected with SSPX. Also, when Br Pio was Rector, he wrote monthly circulars which were (as we are secular tertiaries, and thus no mre than mere laymen) all checked and approved by Fr Merry, SSPX, prior to their distribution.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2009, 12:34:PM » |
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I want to clear up some of the errors of these posts. I know the truth because I am currently the Prefect of the Fraternity of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Br. Pio Francis became the first professed member of our fraternity. He also became the first Prefect at the same time that I became the first Vice Prefect. Br. Pio Francis and I fully supported the position of the SSPX. Unfortunately, this past summer Br. Pio Francis adopted the Sedevacantist position. Shortly thereafter, he resigned from the fraternity. He held another election in September and I was elected as the Prefect. I still fully support the SSPX. The fraternity is directed by Fr. Mery of the SSPX. The fraternity's superior is Fr. Francois Marie of Morgon, France. Fr. Francois Marie is part of a group of Capuchins who hold strong to the Catholic Faith and loyal to the SSPX. Therefore, our fraternity is NOT Sedevacantist.
Thank you and God bless.
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