Fish Eaters Traditional Catholic Forum
March 21, 2010, 02:27:PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: Fish Eaters chat is here!  Click "CHAT ROOM" in the menu to sign in.
 
   Fish Eaters    Forum Index   Forum Rules   Help Search Calendar Members Chat Room   Who's Chatting   Login Register  
Pages: [1]
 
Author Topic: Russia 'simulates' nuclear attack on Poland  (Read 425 times)
Tulkas
Fighting and Laughing

Gender: Male
Personality type: Pugilistic
Posts: 605


In the pheasant meadow, building my new house.


« on: November 02, 2009, 10:11:AM »

No, we really did not need that missile shield in Poland.  We would never want to provoke the Russians who always had a history of aggression to Poland. [/sarcasm]

My heart goes out to my Polish ancestors who had to deal with these hostile neighbors for too many years.


******************************
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6480227/Russia-simulates-nuclear-attack-on-Poland.html


Russia 'simulates' nuclear attack on Poland
Russia has provoked outrage in Poland by simulating an air and sea attack on the country during military exercises.
 
By Matthew Day in Warsaw
Published: 4:37PM GMT 01 Nov 2009


The armed forces are said to have carried out "war games" in which nuclear missiles were fired and troops practised an amphibious landing on the country's coast.
Documents obtained by Wprost, one of Poland's leading news magazines, said the exercise was carried out in conjunction with soldiers from Belarus.
 

The manoeuvres are thought to have been held in September and involved about 13,000 Russian and Belarusian troops.
Poland, which has strained relations with both countries, was cast as the "potential aggressor".
The documents state the exercises, code-named "West", were officially classified as "defensive" but many of the operations appeared to have an offensive nature.
The Russian air force practised using weapons from its nuclear arsenal, while in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, which neighbours Poland, Red Army forces stormed a "Polish" beach and attacked a gas pipeline.
The operation also involved the simulated suppression of an uprising by a national minority in Belarus – the country has a significant Polish population which has a strained relationship with authoritarian government of Belarus.
Karol Karski, an MP from Poland's Law and Justice, is to table parliamentary questions on Russia's war games and has protested to the European Commission.
His colleague, Marek Opiola MP, said: "It's an attempt to put us in our place. Don't forget all this happened on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland."
Ordinary Poles were outraged by news of the exercise and demanded a firm response fro the government.
One man, identified only as Ted, told Polskie Radio: "Russia has laid bare its real intentions with respect to Poland. Every Pole most now get of the off the fence and be counted as a patriot or a traitor."
Donald Tusk, Poland's prime minister, has tried to build a pragmatic relationship with the Kremlin despite widespread and vocal calls in Poland for him to cool ties with Moscow.
After spending 40 years under Soviet domination few in Poland trust Russia, and many Poles have become increasingly wary of a country they consider as possessing a neo-imperialistic agenda.
Bogdan Klich, Poland’s defence minister, said: “It is a demonstration of strength. We are monitoring the exercises to see what has been planned.
Wladyslaw Stasiak, chief of President Lech Kaczynski’s office, and a former head of Poland’s National Security Council, added: “We didn’t like the appearance of the exercises and the name harked back to the days of the Warsaw Pact.”
The Russian troop exercises will come as an unwelcome sight to the states nestling on Russia’s western border who have deep-rooted anxieties over any Russian show of strength.
With a resurgent Moscow now more willing to flex its muscles, Central and Eastern Europeans have warned of Russia adopting a neo-imperialistic attitude to an area of the world it still regards as its sphere of influence.
In July, the region’s most famed and influential political figures, including Lech Walesa and Vaclav Havel, wrote an open letter Barack Obama warning him that Russia “is back as a revisionist power pursuing a 19th-century agenda with 21st-century tactics and methods.”
Moscow and Minsk have insisted that Operation West was to help "ensure the strategic stability in the East European region".
Logged

"So came Tulkas the Strong, whose anger passes like a mighty wind, scattering cloud and darkness before it; and Melkor fled before his wrath and his laughter, and forsook Arda, and there was peace for a long age." - The Simarillion, J.R.R. Tolkein

My house is for sale - http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Post-Falls_ID_83854_1116470825

Just tooting my horn for you to buy books at Gabriel's Trumpet - http://www.amazon.com/shops/AKGX35VYAHH6N
Tulkas
Fighting and Laughing

Gender: Male
Personality type: Pugilistic
Posts: 605


In the pheasant meadow, building my new house.


« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 10:12:AM »

This one is for Poland.

Logged

"So came Tulkas the Strong, whose anger passes like a mighty wind, scattering cloud and darkness before it; and Melkor fled before his wrath and his laughter, and forsook Arda, and there was peace for a long age." - The Simarillion, J.R.R. Tolkein

My house is for sale - http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Post-Falls_ID_83854_1116470825

Just tooting my horn for you to buy books at Gabriel's Trumpet - http://www.amazon.com/shops/AKGX35VYAHH6N
DarkKnight

Gender: Male
Posts: 4,510



WWW
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 10:17:AM »

Wow! Obama simulates a recovery.

The whole world is playing make believe!
Logged

A good friend and worthy adversary.

Live your life in such a way that every morning when your feet hit the floor...Satan shudders and says..."Oh No...he's AWAKE!"

Sometimes the Internet reminds me of being in a chicken coop with an infinite number of Chicken Littles at any given millisecond dodging pieces of their falling skies.

There is a subtle difference between "invincible ignorance" and intolerably stupid.
BrevisVir55

Gender: Male
Posts: 2,320



« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 10:43:AM »

Russia just seems like they are asking for trouble by pulling a stunt like that.

At least some of the folk pulling the stunt are not too terrible to look at!  Grin
Logged
rbjmartin

Gender: Male
Personality type: sanguine
Posts: 998



« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2009, 03:55:PM »

No, we really did not need that missile shield in Poland.  We would never want to provoke the Russians who always had a history of aggression to Poland. [/sarcasm]

My heart goes out to my Polish ancestors who had to deal with these hostile neighbors for too many years.


With all due respect, the missile shield would serve little use to the Poles since the technology is lacking and far from fail-safe.  I think scrapping the missile-defense system was a good move.  In a world where everyone (or everyone's allies) has nukes, possessing missile defense systems makes one a potential aggressor, because it would allow a nation to initiate nuclear war without fear of reprisal. 

In the modern world, nukes are defensive weapons.  The only reason to have them is to assure that no one will use them on you.  No one wants to go on the offensive with them because it guarantees their own annihilation.  The Russians will never go on the attack against Poland because Poland is a member of NATO, and it would lead to full-scale nuclear war with the USA (which the Russians definitely don't want). 

This military exercise is all about the Russians still being pissed about NATO bringing in so many former Soviet-bloc countries after the fall of the USSR.  They're now trying to flex their muscle a little because they don't want NATO thinking they can go on doing as they please in their former sphere of influence (as NATO has by influencing the Rose and Orange Revolutions in Georgia and Ukraine).  This is purely a psychological move meant to challenge NATO hegemony.

Personally, I think there's little reason why NATO shouldn't get along better with Russia.  Ideologically speaking, there's very little separating Russia from Western nations (except Western nations might be a little too socialist for their taste, these days).
Logged
CrusaderKing

Gender: Male
Personality type: choleric/sanguine mix
Posts: 813



« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 05:43:PM »

Russia just seems like they are asking for trouble by pulling a stunt like that.

At least some of the folk pulling the stunt are not too terrible to look at!  Grin


She almost looks like Ivanka Trump, The Donald's daughter!   Smiley
Logged

"Charity is no substitute for justice withheld."-St. Augustine
DesperatelySeeking

Posts: 1,190



« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2009, 05:54:PM »

No, it's called "practicing", not "simulating".

For many years, the Soviet Navy would annually steam a fleet to Norwegian territorial waters, disembark troops onto landing craft, and take the landing craft towards the Norwegian shore inside the limits of Norwegian territorial waters.  Then they'd turn the landing craft around, re-embark, and go home.

They were practicing invading to keep current on their battle plans.  No reason not to impute the same here.
Logged
alaric

Posts: 3,646



« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 06:00:PM »

Russia just seems like they are asking for trouble by pulling a stunt like that.

At least some of the folk pulling the stunt are not too terrible to look at!  Grin

From Russia.........with love. Pucker Up



Logged

To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die. There is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time, and betrayal.
--- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Baskerville

Posts: 4,400



« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 06:07:PM »

Russia just seems like they are asking for trouble by pulling a stunt like that.

At least some of the folk pulling the stunt are not too terrible to look at!  Grin


Wowie zowie. Cold shower Cold shower.

Man I wish I was James Bond sometimes.
Logged

Venerable Pius XII pray for us.
Pages: [1]
 
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.8 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC