Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2009, 10:05:AM » |
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St, Thomas would be envious of the depth of the analysis here, hat tip to all of you in this Theological Debate.
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St. Thomas would not make vague threads with introductions such as: alright. Its that Harry Potter debate time again! So, is it anti-Catholic? What do you think? Attempts at being serious failed, as I, before bring up HP, did try to get more specific questions and concerns, and asked what the previous debates didn't cover. |
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« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2009, 02:08:PM » |
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Question: Is Harry Potter Catholic?
Answer: No, Harry Potter is not Catholic. He does, however, celebrate Christmas.
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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2009, 02:08:PM » |
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Ros and all, I'm just pullin' yer legs.
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« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2009, 03:59:PM » |
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alright. Its that Harry Potter debate time again! So, is it anti-Catholic? What do you think?  "Again"? Where was the last? Why start it anew? What aspects not covered in the last do you wish to discuss here? As for Harry Potter, I found the first few books poorly written and stupid. I was 11 at the time I think. I dont think its anti-Catholic, but it was poorly written, yes. Define "anti-Catholic". I think a story which glorifies disobedience (while not a real issue in itself, it combines with everything else), a boy who gets glory and power by chance and without effort (the writer invented the entire story so that this boy could have things happen to him...whatever happened to hard work and toil?), a headmaster of a school for wizards who is homosexual, and a story which ignores all philosophically important issues for fantasy could be considered to be "anti-Catholic" on some level. The fact it is poorly written is the final nail. If we are reading trash, it should be well written. That is why it is evil; because it is a sign of decaying literature in the youth. Dumbledor? Homosexual? Says who? |
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Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2009, 12:49:AM » |
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Dumbledor? Homosexual? Says who?
J. K. Rowling |
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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2009, 06:28:AM » |
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I am almost afraid to post on this topic, but I have grew up with the books (I was 11 when the first book came out so I as young enough to be seriously looking for owls flying during the day until I turned 12 and was quite disappointed that I wasn't going to Hogwarts). My main argument with people who oppose the books is that they aren't giving young readers much credit. Yes, most of them look at the magic and go oh neat wouldn't it be awesome to do that and have no consequences. Most of them will also do the same thing for Superman, Spiderman, and My Little Pony. Yet, no one says that watching Spiderman cartoons leads children to go courting spider bites. Yes, he's and awful role model, so is Punch and Judy puppet shows and your neighbor down the street possibly. Everyday kids see bad role models and the occult. It's better to just let them read the books and if they have questions or are looking for owls sit them down and explain. Have them read the bible passages and talk to them. Book protest simply serve to make people curious. Oh the note of Dumbuldore being gay, it was so not present in the book that she had to tell the movie director that he was gay. Rowling told the audience that while working on the planned sixth Potter film, "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," she spotted a reference in the script to a girl who once was of interest to Dumbledore. A note was duly passed to director David Yates, revealing the truth about her character. The man making the movies couldn't even tell from just reading the books! The chance of a little kid reading it and figuring it out mind numbingly low. |
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« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2009, 06:33:AM » |
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We should stage a public burning of those books. Just to set an example.
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"O MARY, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."
"Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church." - Pius IX, Singulari Quidem.
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« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2009, 06:45:AM » |
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I'm going to assume that you are joking or being sarcastic.
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« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2009, 07:15:AM » |
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I'm going to assume that you are joking or being sarcastic.
You don't fancy public burnings? |
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"O MARY, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."
"Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church." - Pius IX, Singulari Quidem.
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« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2009, 04:00:PM » |
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I can't see a problem with the series. I just can't bring myself to believe that God is angry about a piece of literature. Maybe if the read had literally come out and admitted to its opposition of the Catholic church (or any church for that matter) then I could see it becoming a source of blasphemy. As is I see it just another piece of literature.
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« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2009, 04:02:PM » |
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As is I see it just another piece of literature.
Bad literature, yes. |
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« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2009, 06:08:PM » |
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While not as overtly anti-Catholic as, say, the Golden Compass, it nonetheless instills a sentiment of anti-religion in the minds of youth. It is part of a myriad of tactics emplyed in the vast cornucopia of spiritual disruption unleashed on our young ones these days.
The films I don;t think are as bad, my kids have seen a couple. I've read the books up to the Order of the Phoenix, and don't want my children expoed to them. Seen the films up to Order of the Phoeix as well, and found them less harmful.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2009, 08:54:PM » |
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As I stated earlier, burn them!
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"O MARY, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."
"Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church." - Pius IX, Singulari Quidem.
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« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2009, 09:18:PM » |
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As is I see it just another piece of literature.
Bad literature, yes. It's every bit as good a most classic children's literature, and one a heck of a lot cleaner than most of the stuff that's being produced for the middle-school/young adult age group. Almost all literature written for kids and teenagers glorifies lying, disobedience, and cheating, and quite a bit of it includes magic of some sort. |
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"You'll never get that taste
Out of your mouth
You'll never get the paw prints
Out of the hen house now
And you can't go back
Same way you came
Round all the pieces up
But they just don't fit the same."
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Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2009, 09:42:PM » |
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As is I see it just another piece of literature.
Bad literature, yes. It's every bit as good a most classic children's literature, and one a heck of a lot cleaner than most of the stuff that's being produced for the middle-school/young adult age group. Almost all literature written for kids and teenagers glorifies lying, disobedience, and cheating, and quite a bit of it includes magic of some sort. The stories are bad. I thought so when I first read them. I was 10, at the time. |
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