Which MSM story whitewashes the Fort Hood Jihad terror attack the best?

[rbjmartin]

Every Crusader who died was given full remission of his sins...that's a good deal!

Are any of them canonized?  To whom goes greater glory: crusaders who died in battle, or canonized martyrs, held up by the Church as examples of holiness to be honored by all Christians until the end of time?

St King Louis IX

but I agree with you rbjmartin, Christianity and Catholicism in particular is a pacifist religion with the exception of wars of a defensive nature *edit* like the Spanish Civil War or Lebanese Civil War etc etc (I'm no moral theologian but I would have no problem, though the isolationist in me cringes, launching an offensive campaign to protect people and stop genocide, like in Rwanda or even in Vietnam to stop the reds) I can't just launch a massive invasion of Indonesia and kill everyone in the name of Christ who refuses to be baptized, that would be horrible!

Also I would find war appropriate to fight the Taliban and Al Queda in Afghanistan (and Pakistan thought that I suspect would be a total mess of a war) because those people attacked us first and are a threat, but going over there and nuking Mecca, no matter how appealing to some it is, would be wrong and make us no better than the Muslims.

anyways have always been under the impression, after reading the documents involved, that what the crusaders got was basically a perpetual indulgence - not a ticket to heaven like junk history makes it out these days. Rather different from Muslims - they believe they go to heaven for killing people.

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curiously I would consider the two wars that formed the country I now have allegiance too: the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War to be unjust and aggressive, this first overthrowing your lawful King (protestant or not dosent matter, he passed The Quebec Act to the ire of many especially the American patriots) the Civil War being an aggressive war on the part of the Union.

Also to make clear I have no double standard, in the revolution only 1/3 of the population actively supported revolution against the King, unlike the South where it was pretty much everyone wanted to break away, also the Southern states were "sovereign" entities, not royal colonies.

St. Louis died while on crusade, but he didn't die in battle.  He died of disease, so I'm not sure if that qualifies.

But I certainly agree (as you could probably guess) that Southerners were justified in defending their homes from Northern aggression.

[devotedknuckles]

U make no sense

[Scipio_a]

And why is it necessary to die on the field?...you seem to have this fascination with getting killed....Apparently God saves the best troops for himself...live through battle...get sainted...LOL


Your stated (the one that seems to be what you are saying) path is the path of cowardice and weakness....it is easy to die for God...that's passive...if you make it active...it's suicide...and you ain't no saint at that point


If you live for God...how much more glorious since it's so much more difficult...


If the West were defended by the likes of what your proposing...we would have succumbed to the mohams long ago...as it is, enough of the self proclaimed "peace drones" are about that we've succumbed to a lukewarm protestantism...followed by state sponsored atheism...not fighting equals a vote cast for evil to overcome.


Also...in your seeming run to have us all die willingly like sheep at the hand of devil worshipers....with the false assumption that we trads were lucky enough to all be martyred and Heaven bound....what of our neighbors who are not so fortunate in their faith or lack of....nothing saintly in wishing the end to come before they're ready....but you seem to think...."just hand us all over to the mohms....it'll be OK...because I'll be a martyred saint....that's being a bit selfish don't ya think?....or are you another of the folks around here loves mohams more than your neighbors....if not...you really make no sense....and I did ask several posts back if that's what you meant...since I figure it can't really be...but you are not making yourself clear.

[rbjmartin]

And why is it necessary to die on the field?...you seem to have this fascination with getting killed....Apparently God saves the best troops for himself...live through battle...get sainted...LOL


Your stated (the one that seems to be what you are saying) path is the path of cowardice and weakness....it is easy to die for God...that's passive...if you make it active...it's suicide...and you ain't no saint at that point


If you live for God...how much more glorious since it's so much more difficult...


If the West were defended by the likes of what your proposing...we would have succumbed to the mohams long ago...as it is, enough of the self proclaimed "peace drones" are about that we've succumbed to a lukewarm protestantism...followed by state sponsored atheism...not fighting equals a vote cast for evil to overcome.


Also...in your seeming run to have us all die willingly like sheep at the hand of devil worshipers....with the false assumption that we trads were lucky enough to all be martyred and Heaven bound....what of our neighbors who are not so fortunate in their faith or lack of....nothing saintly in wishing the end to come before they're ready....but you seem to think...."just hand us all over to the mohms....it'll be OK...because I'll be a martyred saint....that's being a bit selfish don't ya think?....or are you another of the folks around here loves mohams more than your neighbors....if not...you really make no sense....and I did ask several posts back if that's what you meant...since I figure it can't really be...but you are not making yourself clear.

There are a few different lines of argument going on here.  Let me address them one at a time.

Martyrdom is the highest sacrifice that can be made for one's Faith, as it follows in the footsteps of Our Lord.  The honor given to martyrs by the liturgy since the catacombs reflects this.  Point one.

Evangelization ought to be our primary approach to non-believers.  Point two.

I have never dismissed anyone's right to defend himself/herself.  That is perfectly just.  I am strong advocate of gun ownership for this purpose.  If someone shoots at me or my family, I will shoot back.  Point three.

If, for whatever reason, I end up being killed by a Muslim (or anyone else, for that matter) specifically for what I believe, then I would consider that an honor to die for love of Our Lord.  Final point.

All clear?

[Scipio_a]

Yes...I think there is plenty of common ground...maybe all of it

[rbjmartin]

Yes...I think there is plenty of common ground...maybe all of it

Good.  I apologize if I did not make myself clear in previous posts.

[Scipio_a]

Me too...I apologize for not being clear also