Which MSM story whitewashes the Fort Hood Jihad terror attack the best?

[devotedknuckles]

Rbj your idea of martyrdom and ST bernards are opposed. Pls re read your posts and mine to get it. I'm not holding your hand
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[DarkKnight]

Sometimes shepherds have to defend their sheep too. Those crooks can lift a lamb out of a snare or crack the skull of a wolf. It was the same instrument and the same motivating emotion - love.

[rbjmartin]

Rbj your idea of martyrdom and ST bernards are opposed. Pls re read your posts and mine to get it. I'm not holding your hand
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You're not making your point very successfully.  Please explain, if you can.

[devotedknuckles]

LOL
U just did
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[rbjmartin]

LOL
U just did
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DK,

Can you name some canonized saints who were canonized for dying in battle?

I can think of scores of martyrs canonized for dying in spiritual battle, but not battles of the sword.

[Scipio_a]

Praying for someone is a manifestation of love, but it is not love itself.  What does it mean to love one's enemies?

It means to rub olive oil all over them an get squirmy....What are you looking for?....you seem to be saying (but surely you do not mean it) loving someone means you let them offer your children and wife up to the devil as a holocaust....we think it means you deliver the Truth for Truth's sake and plain love of Truth whatever the cost to them and possibly to you...just like you should do for your actual family....but funny thing here is that at least 1/2 the folks here are not willing to do that...are you one who is?

For instance...when you go to your friend's (or family's) NO services (if you do) do you let the know what a travesty it is...or do you just sit quietly...and think that is somehow love?.....that's a real question by the way.


Because I make sure to let them know....and I always let them know I will NOT take part in their services due to such and such reasons....that is love...it would not be love if I just went along so we could all get along here and now...I want them to make it to the hereafter...the same applies to the mohams....but I'm not willing to sell myself or my family for their conversion...unless it's with a fight...that is loving your enemy


Just walking into the knife of a devil worshiper who does not even think you are human attains nothing...If he thought you were human he might have some compassion and you might actually turn a few heads....but if a pig thinks he's going to die and actually had sorrowful eyes right before the bolt stuck his head...I'd still be eating bacon...and the moham will not be converted that way...

so if you are not saying go to the slaughter with your wife and kids without a fight...walk us through it....'cause we're not getting the message the way you are wording it.

[Scipio_a]

LOL
U just did
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DK,

Can you name some canonized saints who were canonized for dying in battle?

I can think of scores of martyrs canonized for dying in spiritual battle, but not battles of the sword.

Joan of Arc...lead an entire army to battle even if she never swung the sword...opps...guess she doesn't count...LOL

But you can't think of anyone who made it committing suicide.

[Scipio_a]

Every Crusader who died was given full remission of his sins...that's a good deal!


The fact is I'm no saint...so that does not really help...to look at the saints and say   oh  I'll be like that...because I woon't...I don't have the fortitude to anounce my Christianity to the Roman Emperor without a sword in my hand...now I'm willing to do that...but as for just saying..."oh look at me...I'm Christian...kill me"...no

More like..."Oh look at me...I'm Christian and I have a sword...now what are you going to do about it?  I promis to use my canteen to baptize each one of you heathens that falls to my sword!"  --  Love

[rbjmartin]

LOL
U just did
Sip

DK,

Can you name some canonized saints who were canonized for dying in battle?

I can think of scores of martyrs canonized for dying in spiritual battle, but not battles of the sword.

Joan of Arc...lead an entire army to battle even if she never swung the sword...opps...guess she doesn't count...LOL

But you can't think of anyone who made it committing suicide.

So the North American martyrs, Saint Antoine Daniel, and the scores of other missionary martyrs, who willfully put themselves in harms way for the sake of the Gospel, were suicidal?

[rbjmartin]

Every Crusader who died was given full remission of his sins...that's a good deal!

Are any of them canonized?  To whom goes greater glory: crusaders who died in battle, or canonized martyrs, held up by the Church as examples of holiness to be honored by all Christians until the end of time?

[Scipio_a]

Sorry to let you know this again...if you go looking for Sainthood...in full knowledge that you will die...and you go to die on purpose....you're not going to find it.



They put themselves in harms way...being in harms way and being on a suicide mission are two entirely different things they did not run right to the moham sword to be slaughtered for the devil

[rbjmartin]

Sorry to let you know this again...if you go looking for Sainthood...in full knowledge that you will die...and you go to die on purpose....you're not going to find it.

They put themselves in harms way...being in harms way and being on a suicide mission are two entirely different things they did not run right to the moham sword to be slaughtered for the devil

Who are you arguing against?  I never said go on a suicide mission.

[devotedknuckles]

No one is denying martyrdom is good and saintly. But we ours is not a passafist religion. It never was u r spewing a modernist deformation of our faith. And speaking of the jesuit maryters they desperetly tried to escape.
Again u don't know ST Bernard or catholic history very well to argue against dying for Christ in battle against his enemies. Curious on how u will dismiss the brave catholics who died fighting in the last crusade. (Spanish civil war)

[rbjmartin]

No one is denying martyrdom is good and saintly. But we ours is not a passafist religion. It never was u r spewing a modernist deformation of our faith. And speaking of the jesuit maryters they desperetly tried to escape.
Again u don't know ST Bernard or catholic history very well to argue against dying for Christ in battle against his enemies. Curious on how u will dismiss the brave catholics who died fighting in the last crusade. (Spanish civil war)

Put down your drink and read my posts clearly.  I never argued against dying for Christ in battle.  I only argued that there is a higher martyrdom, as exemplified by the Church's consistent record of canonizing martyrs who died preaching rather than fighting.

[Tobri]

Every Crusader who died was given full remission of his sins...that's a good deal!

Are any of them canonized?  To whom goes greater glory: crusaders who died in battle, or canonized martyrs, held up by the Church as examples of holiness to be honored by all Christians until the end of time?

St King Louis IX

but I agree with you rbjmartin, Christianity and Catholicism in particular is a pacifist religion with the exception of wars of a defensive nature *edit* like the Spanish Civil War or Lebanese Civil War etc etc (I'm no moral theologian but I would have no problem, though the isolationist in me cringes, launching an offensive campaign to protect people and stop genocide, like in Rwanda or even in Vietnam to stop the reds) I can't just launch a massive invasion of Indonesia and kill everyone in the name of Christ who refuses to be baptized, that would be horrible- its disgusting even thinking about it!

Also I would find war appropriate to fight the Taliban and Al Queda in Afghanistan (and Pakistan though that I suspect would be a total mess of a war) because those people attacked us first and are a threat, but going over there and nuking Mecca, no matter how appealing to some it is, would be wrong and make us no better than the Muslims.

anyways have always been under the impression, after reading the documents involved, that what the crusaders got was basically a perpetual indulgence - not a ticket to heaven like junk history makes it out these days. Rather different from Muslims - they believe they go to heaven for killing people.

edit::

curiously I would consider the two wars that formed the country I now have allegiance too: the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War to be unjust and aggressive, this first overthrowing your lawful King (protestant or not dosent matter, he passed The Quebec Act to the ire of many especially the American patriots) the Civil War being an aggressive war on the part of the Union.

Also to make clear I have no double standard, in the revolution only 1/3 of the population actively supported revolution against the King, unlike the South where it was pretty much everyone wanted to break away, also the Southern states were "sovereign" entities, not royal colonies.