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This one is pretty good in it's level of whitewashing and misleading storyline. The only context Islam plays in this disgusting piece is that he was 'picked on' for his Islamic faith. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting_suspectDetails emerge about Fort Hood suspect background By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE, Associated Press Writer Brett J. Blackledge, Associated Press Writer 35 mins ago
WASHINGTON – His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.
There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive.
For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.
While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.
Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.
"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."
But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.
At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.
Federal authorities seized Hasan's computer Friday during a search of his apartment in Killeen, Texas, said a U.S. military official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and he wanted out of the Army.
"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."
She said he had sought a discharge from the military for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.
A military official told The Associated Press that Hasan was in the preparation stage of deployment, which can take months. The official said Hasan had indicated he didn't want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan. The official did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
A second military official said Hasan's family has Palestinian roots. There have been reports that he was harassed for his Muslim religion, but the official says there is no indication Hasan filed a complaint within the military about that.
Terrorism task force agents plan to interview several of Hasan's relatives Friday, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case.
Noel Hasan said her nephew "did not make many friends" and would say "they military was his life."
A cousin, Nader Hasan, told The New York Times that after counseling soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder, Hasan knew war firsthand.
"He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy," Nader Hasan said. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there."
Federal law-enforcement agents ordered an evacuation of the apartment complex where Hasan lived in Killeen, Texas, Thursday night and conducted a search of his home, said Hilary Shine, director of public information for the city. She didn't say what was found during the search.
Officials said earlier that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of his computer.
Retired Army Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan, told Fox News that Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.
Col. Kimberly Kesling, deputy commander of clinical services at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, said she had known Hasan.
"You wouldn't think that someone who works in your facility and provided excellent care for his patients, which he did, could do something like this," Kesling said. She praised his work ethic, saying, "In my personal interactions, there was never any indication he would do something like this." Kesling described him as "a quiet man who wouldn't seek the limelight" and said she was 'shocked' when she heard that he was the man suspected of carrying out the shootings.
Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.
"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.
On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.
"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."
Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.
"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."
Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.
He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. Military records show he also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg and received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.
But college officials said Friday that Hasan graduated with honors in biochemistry in 1995 and there was no record of him serving in any ROTC program.
He previously had attended Barstow Community College in Barstow, Calif., and Virginia Western Community College in Roanoke, Va., according to Virginia Tech records.
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 09:45:AM » |
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According to a colonel that worked with him, the "harassment" he got was in response to his making disparaging remarks to other officers whose own children are over in A-stan or Iraq. He also began wearing Moslem clothing in recent weeks, lived in an apt complex that was well beneath his pay grade, and one neighbor said he never even suspected that this man was in the military. Sounds extremely suspicious, and very much like he was a jihadist with an agenda.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 09:48:AM » |
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According to a colonel that worked with him, the "harassment" he got was in response to his making disparaging remarks to other officers whose own children are over in A-stan or Iraq. He also began wearing Moslem clothing in recent weeks, lived in an apt complex that was well beneath his pay grade, and one neighbor said he never even suspected that this man was in the military. Sounds extremely suspicious, and very much like he was a jihadist with an agenda.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 10:01:AM » |
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The takeaway Reuters wants you to walk away with? Look at the first sentence. Vile. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A454F20091106Death toll hits 13 in Fort Hood shooting spree Fri Nov 6, 2009 10:17am EST
By Erwin Seba
KILLEEN, Texas (Reuters) - The death toll from an Army psychiatrist who opened fire at the Fort Hood Army post rose to 13 on Friday, and Army officials said the suspected shooter was hospitalized and on a ventilator.
Suspected gunman Major Nidal Malik Hasan went on a shooting rampage at the Fort Hood Army post on Thursday, in one of the worst killing sprees ever reported on a U.S. military base, army officials said.
A woman died overnight from gunshot wounds, raising the toll to 13 dead and 30 wounded, said Colonel John Rossi, a deputy commanding general at Fort Hood, speaking with reporters. Of those killed, one was a civilian and 12 were soldiers, Rossi said.
Hasan was shot 4 times during the incident and was unconscious but in stable condition and on a ventilator, Rossi said.
"He's stable and in one of our civilian hospitals," Rossi said. "He's on a ventilator."
The Army said the gunman opened fire at about 1:30 p.m. CST (1930 GMT) on Thursday at the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center, a group of buildings where soldiers were getting medical check-ups before leaving for overseas deployments.
The gunman had two weapons, one of them a semi-automatic, and neither was a military-issued weapon, Army officials said.
In May, a U.S. soldier at a base in Baghdad shot and killed five fellow soldiers.
A cousin of the suspected shooter, Nader Hasan, told Fox News on Thursday that he had been ordered to serve a term in Iraq and had been resisting such a deployment.
Hasan said his cousin was a U.S.-born Muslim who had joined the military from high school. He had served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., which treats many badly wounded troops.
The incident raised new questions about the toll that six years of continuous fighting in Iraq and nearly eight years of fighting in Afghanistan have taken on the U.S. military and on individual soldiers, many of whom have been on several combat tours.
U.S. President Barack Obama, speaking in Washington on Thursday, called the event a "horrific outburst of violence."
Fort Hood is home to about 50,000 troops, although Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison said only about 35,000 were on base at the time. The fort, established in 1942, stretches across 339 square miles (878 square km) in central Texas and is the state's largest single employer.
Base personnel have accounted for more suicides than any other Army post since the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, with 75 tallied through July of this year. Nine of those occurred in 2009, counting two in overseas war zones.
Fort Hood is halfway between Austin and Waco, about 60 miles from each city. Nearby Killeen was the site of one of the worst U.S. shooting rampages when a gunman drove his truck into a Luby's cafeteria in 1991 and shot 23 people to death and wounded 20 others before killing himself.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 10:04:AM » |
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According to a colonel that worked with him, the "harassment" he got was in response to his making disparaging remarks to other officers whose own children are over in A-stan or Iraq. He also began wearing Moslem clothing in recent weeks, lived in an apt complex that was well beneath his pay grade, and one neighbor said he never even suspected that this man was in the military. Sounds extremely suspicious, and very much like he was a jihadist with an agenda.
From an adherent to the religion of peas? Surely not!  No doubt. Just because a gunman on a murderous rampage starts shouting, "Allah Akbar!!! Allah Akbar!!", we really shouldn't jump to conclusions.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 10:55:AM » |
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No doubt. Just because a gunman on a murderous rampage starts shouting, "Allah Akbar!!! Allah Akbar!!", we really shouldn't jump to conclusions.
No, probably not. We should jump up, and put a few rounds into his ocular cavities, though - the CNS express. I also noticed that he had one of those evil semi-automatic weapons...
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 11:15:AM » |
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No doubt. Just because a gunman on a murderous rampage starts shouting, "Allah Akbar!!! Allah Akbar!!", we really shouldn't jump to conclusions.
No, probably not. We should jump up, and put a few rounds into his ocular cavities, though - the CNS express. I also noticed that he had one of those evil semi-automatic weapons... I know. People start talking to them and the guns make them do horrible things. Ask any psychiatrist.  
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Emoticons mine, obviously. The takeaway this time, deployment stress, not jihad is to blame here. Definitely not jihad. Nooooo sir. http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thehumancondition/archive/2009/11/06/is-fort-hood-a-harbinger-nidal-malik-hasan-may-be-a-symptom-of-a-military-on-the-brink.aspx Is Fort Hood a Harbinger? Nidal Malik Hasan May Be a Symptom of a Military on the Brink.  Andrew Bast What if Thursday's atrocious slaughter at Fort Hood only signals that the worst is yet to come? The murder scene yesterday afternoon at the Killeen, Texas, military base, the largest in the country, was heart-wrenching  . Details remained murky  , but at least 13 are dead and 30 wounded in a killing spree that may momentarily remind us of a reality that most Americans can readily forget: soldiers and their families are living, and bending, under a harrowing and unrelenting stress that will not let up any time soon. And the U.S. military could well be reaching a breaking point as the president decides to send more troops into Afghanistan. It's hard to draw too many conclusions right now  , but we do know this: Thursday night, authorities shot and then apprehended the lone suspect, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. A psychiatrist who was set to deploy to Iraq at the end of the month, Hasan reportedly opened fire around the Fort Hood Readiness Center, where troops are prepared for deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. And though this scene is a most extreme and tragic outlier, it comes at a time when the stress of combat has affected so many soldiers individually that it makes it increasingly difficult for the military as a whole to deploy for wars abroad. In an abrupt news conference, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the top commander at Fort Hood, said in response to the shooting that authorities would "increase the security presence" on the military base. On the surface, it seemed like a logical enough plan. But it makes one wonder how much any kind of lockdown will either get at the root causes of soldier stresses or better prepare them for more battle. Hasan's perspective is unknown  . He had yet to fight abroad. But the accusations against him can't help but bring to mind the violence scarring military bases all over the country after the duration of two long, brutal wars. In May, Fort Campbell—a major military base in Kentucky and the home of the "Screaming Eagles" of the 101st Airborne Division—went into a three-day stand-down after a soldier killed himself, the 11th suicide since the beginning of the year, more than on any other base. "Suicidal behavior is bad," Brig. Gen. Stephen Townsend said at the time. In black shorts, a T shirt, and running shoes, he climbed atop a podium in a field and addressed his troops. "It's bad for soldiers, it's bad for families, bad for your units, bad for this division and our Army and our country, and it's got to stop now." The pep talk and accompanying posters, imploring soldiers to take care of one another, had limited effect. Another six soldiers have killed themselves since the stand-down.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 09:46:PM » |
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I heard on Fox News that a general over heard him say that the Islamic people should rise up against their oppressors in Iraq and that we shouldnt be there in the first place. Then a week later blammo. I then turned to MSNBC and not a word about him even being Muslim was mentioned.  I think it is seriously time to consider deporting all Muslims they just cant be trusted to get along with civilized people. Send them to France.
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I heard on Fox News that a general over heard him say that the Islamic people should rise up against their oppressors in Iraq and that we shouldnt be there in the first place. Then a week later blammo. I then turned to MSNBC and not a word about him even being Muslim was mentioned.  I think it is seriously time to consider deporting all Muslims they just cant be trusted to get along with civilized people. Send them to France. I have been advocating this since 9/11. +1 fish.
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2009, 12:16:AM » |
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I heard on Fox News that a general over heard him say that the Islamic people should rise up against their oppressors in Iraq and that we shouldnt be there in the first place. Then a week later blammo. I then turned to MSNBC and not a word about him even being Muslim was mentioned.  I think it is seriously time to consider deporting all Muslims they just cant be trusted to get along with civilized people. Send them to France. I think I read somewhere recently that even France is starting to get sick of them. But don't expect the French to do too much. This guy is going to get executed.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2009, 12:31:AM » |
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I heard on Fox News that a general over heard him say that the Islamic people should rise up against their oppressors in Iraq and that we shouldnt be there in the first place. Then a week later blammo. I then turned to MSNBC and not a word about him even being Muslim was mentioned.  I think it is seriously time to consider deporting all Muslims they just cant be trusted to get along with civilized people. Send them to France. I have been advocating this since 9/11. +1 fish. Wow. Ridiculous. 1 man may have been influenced by Islam and killed a group of people and you are ready to deport every Muslim out of the country. It must be nice to live in a world where Christians never do this kind of stuff. I just couldn't imagine telling the peaceful, kind, and studious Muslims I see on campus at my Catholic school that they are getting kicked out of the country because a handful of people who share their religion have done some really stupid stuff in this country. I'm sure that would be fair and just.
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Walty let's talk about those kind studious mohamadans on your campus Talk with them about Qutb. He was a studious kind mpohamadan on an amarican campus in his day. If u don't know about him or read any of his works Look him up Sip
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Walty let's talk about those kind studious mohamadans on your campus Talk with them about Qutb. He was a studious kind mpohamadan on an amarican campus in his day. If u don't know about him or read any of his works Look him up Sip
DK, I'm sure there are examples of insane and murderous Muslims. Clearly Islam is a violent religion. I do not think Islam is a good thing. In fact, I think it came straight from Satan. That being said, not every Muslim is murderous or violent. Some people have been unfortunate enough to be born into a sad religion though as individuals they are much closer to a Christian outlook on life (i.e. peaceful and loving). I do not believe that every Muslim believes suicide bombing or killing innocents is ok. I do not believe every Muslim condones violence. And it would be quite unfair to ship out every single Muslim due only to the fact that some (a minority) condone or commit crimes. It doesn't take much to see that the overwhelming majority of Muslims commit no crimes in this country. That doesn't mean I'm sticking up for Islam. I'm not. I'd like to see every Muslim in the world converted to Catholicism (and I wish the Church would make a stronger move at doing this for it is true ecumenism). What I am standing up for are the individuals who have dignity and should be given mercy, especially for being born into such a sad spot in life. I mean, I really believe Protestantism was from Satan as well, but I don't think it would be right for us to start calling for the deportation of every Protty with the justification that they are all Satanists.
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DK, I'm sure there are examples of insane and murderous Muslims. Clearly Islam is a violent religion. I do not think Islam is a good thing. In fact, I think it came straight from Satan. That being said, not every Muslim is murderous or violent. Some people have been unfortunate enough to be born into a sad religion though as individuals they are much closer to a Christian outlook on life (i.e. peaceful and loving). I do not believe that every Muslim believes suicide bombing or killing innocents is ok. I do not believe every Muslim condones violence. And it would be quite unfair to ship out every single Muslim due only to the fact that some (a minority) condone or commit crimes. It doesn't take much to see that the overwhelming majority of Muslims commit no crimes in this country.
That doesn't mean I'm sticking up for Islam. I'm not. I'd like to see every Muslim in the world converted to Catholicism (and I wish the Church would make a stronger move at doing this for it is true ecumenism). What I am standing up for are the individuals who have dignity and should be given mercy, especially for being born into such a sad spot in life.
I mean, I really believe Protestantism was from Satan as well, but I don't think it would be right for us to start calling for the deportation of every Protty with the justification that they are all Satanists.
Good post, but I'm afraid some people here are caught up in the collectivist mentality that summarily condemns entire groups of people, despite the multitude of individual differences among them. Collectivism is a Marxist ideal, not a Christian one, and it is at the root of every form of racism and bigotry. We, as Christians, must remember that Our Lord, when He judges us, will judge us one at a time.
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