Sesame Street Objectionable?

[BrevisVir55]

Loony Tunes was made for adults, not children.

About Sesame Street, I think Dave Chappelle said it best; it is highly objectionable.

NSFW:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLdim8hWR44" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLdim8hWR44</a>

 

[INPEFESS]

And he's rapping?!

What happened to this show?!

What is wrong with rapping?

Lack of musical intellectualism. I don't think it's so much a problem with rapping, it's that it changes to adapt to whatever is considered popular at the time and caters to the media feedback loop. It would be like taking a movie that was created in the 70's era and changing it to be whatever viewers wanted it to be. It wouldn't be "bad"; it simply wouldn't carry the same originality. Sesame street is doing the same as MTV.

[Marc]

Maria wears pants.

 

The show also has a vampire, and I think he is a Freemason; he's always flashing these signs with his hands. They say he's counting but who really knows...?

And why do you think the Modernists are using puppets to profane the Mass, libby?


^the "forbidden fruit"?

[CrusaderKing]

Years ago, TV Guide did a blistering editorial on Sesame Street,  which called it, "zealous, overstimulating, and misguided." I doubt they'd give it that kind of review today.

[WilfredLeblanc]

We'd really have to be pretty constipated to object to Sesame Street, wouldn't we? Maybe I'm just a votary of Bert and Ernie behind a Catholic facade, but I have only the fondest memories of that show (from the early '70s, with the original cast, etc.--maybe it's gone down the tubes since then). Likewise Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood and The Electric Company.

[Benno]

The puppets were ok, but a couple of the humans on that show always made me feel a bit uneasy, as a kid. It was the late 70's - I figure the kid instincts weren't too far wrong. 

[Magnificat]

I've always been on the fence about shows like Sesame Street.  While some of the content may be useful, I think it conditions children to be passive and maybe even to consume when they should be creating.  We don't have cable.   I'm not unabombermom, though;  we have some kids DVDs, but sometimes we don't watch one for days at a time.  There's too many other things happening.  The other day it occurred to me that my child probably sees more TV at school than at home - and she goes to one of those crazy advanced schools, it's like Japan in there or something (I'd flunk out of the 4th grade there, for sure).

[petrelton]

Loony Tunes was made for adults, not children.

About Sesame Street, I think Dave Chappelle said it best; it is highly objectionable.

NSFW:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLdim8hWR44" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLdim8hWR44</a>

Warning, this video contains vulgarity which is not fitting for holy catholics. Do not watch

[introibo]

Just heard that Big Bird is moving to the rainforest.  So now we'll have all kind of propaganda about how the rainforest is being destroyed, etc. 

When my oldest kids were young, I used to let them watch SS once in awhile.  It was just too "busy" for my liking.  One the other hand, Mr. Rogers was kind of boring.  We settled for Barney and LambChop's Play a Long.  And Carmen San Diego. 

Christina. 

[libby]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=druQ6olIfm4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=druQ6olIfm4</a>

[spera]

And he's rapping?!

What happened to this show?!

What is wrong with rapping?

Lack of musical intellectualism. I don't think it's so much a problem with rapping, it's that it changes to adapt to whatever is considered popular at the time and caters to the media feedback loop. It would be like taking a movie that was created in the 70's era and changing it to be whatever viewers wanted it to be. It wouldn't be "bad"; it simply wouldn't carry the same originality. Sesame street is doing the same as MTV.

I disagree. The fact that it changes based on the whim is exactly it's genius...too the poor. Rap is like a sophisticated version of Leonard Cohen + The Beatles combined. It takes time to understand the nuance and multiple meanings behind each song, which over time reinvents and reinterprets the genre through sampling and referring to itself. It is cultural discourse which is multi-generational and multicultural. It is a rare case where underprivileged benefit from their own cultural exploitation in the mainstream and in turn own and become majority shareholders in that culture. Spike Lee's Bamboozled was an attempt to explain this concept in film.

If you listen to corporate rap the lyrics are simplistic...however it's production is still subversive in that it tries to transgress by creating a caricature of it's own exploitation. Underground hip-hop and labels which were developed by the artists themselves coupled with technology place rap and hip-hop at the forefront of counterculture and provide an authentic response to the capitalist dynamic in mainstream/corporate/gangster rap. In order to understand this you have to start with the four elements of hip hop culture. Start there...work your way into consciousness.

From Wikipedia:
Hip hop as a cultural movement manifest in B-boying (breakdancing), graffiti writing, DJing and eMCeeing – is an artistic commitment to seize freedom from oppressive social conditions. This artistic commitment inherent in Hip Hop culture expresses a reality of human transcendence which was originally born out of the creative impulse and cultural improvisation of the oppressed African American, Afro-Caribbean and Latino American communities of New York City(with the South Bronx as the epicenter) in the late 1970s.[1][2][3][1][4] It was DJ Afrika Bambaataa that outlined the five pillars of hip-hop culture: MCing, DJing, breaking, graffiti writing, and knowledge.[5][6][7][8] Other elements include beatboxing, hip hop fashion, and slang. Since first emerging in the Bronx, the lifestyle of hip hop culture has spread around the world.[9]

Sidenote: Kanye West's hijacking of Taylor Swift's speech at the MTV awards I guarantee will go down in history as one of the most cunning displays of his exploitation of zeitgeist EVER.

Sidenote 2: Yo Gabba Gabba and The Electric Company are dangerous hypnotizing capitalist machines which are trying to destroy your children. DO NOT WATCH THEM!

[libby]

Maria wears pants.

I can't believe you're getting on the Count just cuz he's from da hood...

...ah,ah,ah.

 

The show also has a vampire, and I think he is a Freemason; he's always flashing these signs with his hands. They say he's counting but who really knows...?

And why do you think the Modernists are using puppets to profane the Mass, libby?


^the "forbidden fruit"?

[Herr_Mannelig]

Warning, this video contains vulgarity which is not fitting for holy catholics. Do not watch

It is labelled NSFW, and if you wish to state others are not "holy Catholics", please do so in a respectful and meaningful way.

All you have done is judge others.

This forum is for adult conversation about real life, for real grown-ups, with most of us having grown up in the 70s and 80s. Leave the coyness, the fake shocked expressions, the tongue-clucking, the swooning, the unwillingness to properly name body parts, the Holy Card Impersonator schtick, the "Why, I nevah" stuff (especially when you most certainly did), and other such silliness to other people's forums. Prudery won't be tolerated. Leave any Puritanism back in the hands of 17th c. Calvinists and Jansenists; we are 21st c. Catholics here, and as Hilaire Belloc wrote:

As for the video, it contains nothing objectionable to Catholics. He may use vulgar phrases, but that is relative; they aren't that vulgar in the context. He says nothing against the Church, nothing blasphemous, and nothing in violation of the forum's rules.

[Walty]

Some shows change with the times, but most don't.  Sesame Street has indeed changed quite a bit, but not necessarily in bad ways.  Something like Mr. Rodger's on the other hand never changed at all.  My children will watch Mr. Rodgers.

And I think that too much television will cause kids to have underdeveloped imaginations, but I think a bit of television (and a lot of reading) is good for getting this started and shaping imaginations.

[INPEFESS]

And he's rapping?!

What happened to this show?!

What is wrong with rapping?

Lack of musical intellectualism. I don't think it's so much a problem with rapping, it's that it changes to adapt to whatever is considered popular at the time and caters to the media feedback loop. It would be like taking a movie that was created in the 70's era and changing it to be whatever viewers wanted it to be. It wouldn't be "bad"; it simply wouldn't carry the same originality. Sesame street is doing the same as MTV.

I disagree. The fact that it changes based on the whim is exactly it's genius...too the poor. Rap is like a sophisticated version of Leonard Cohen + The Beatles combined. It takes time to understand the nuance and multiple meanings behind each song, which over time reinvents and reinterprets the genre through sampling and referring to itself. It is cultural discourse which is multi-generational and multicultural. It is a rare case where underprivileged benefit from their own cultural exploitation in the mainstream and in turn own and become majority shareholders in that culture. Spike Lee's Bamboozled was an attempt to explain this concept in film.

If you listen to corporate rap the lyrics are simplistic...however it's production is still subversive in that it tries to transgress by creating a caricature of it's own exploitation. Underground hip-hop and labels which were developed by the artists themselves coupled with technology place rap and hip-hop at the forefront of counterculture and provide an authentic response to the capitalist dynamic in mainstream/corporate/gangster rap. In order to understand this you have to start with the four elements of hip hop culture. Start there...work your way into consciousness.

From Wikipedia:
Hip hop as a cultural movement manifest in B-boying (breakdancing), graffiti writing, DJing and eMCeeing – is an artistic commitment to seize freedom from oppressive social conditions. This artistic commitment inherent in Hip Hop culture expresses a reality of human transcendence which was originally born out of the creative impulse and cultural improvisation of the oppressed African American, Afro-Caribbean and Latino American communities of New York City(with the South Bronx as the epicenter) in the late 1970s.[1][2][3][1][4] It was DJ Afrika Bambaataa that outlined the five pillars of hip-hop culture: MCing, DJing, breaking, graffiti writing, and knowledge.[5][6][7][8] Other elements include beatboxing, hip hop fashion, and slang. Since first emerging in the Bronx, the lifestyle of hip hop culture has spread around the world.[9]

Sidenote: Kanye West's hijacking of Taylor Swift's speech at the MTV awards I guarantee will go down in history as one of the most cunning displays of his exploitation of zeitgeist EVER.

Sidenote 2: Yo Gabba Gabba and The Electric Company are dangerous hypnotizing capitalist machines which are trying to destroy your children. DO NOT WATCH THEM!

Well, you did a lot of homework, and I'm sorry to disregard it, but I wasn't referring to rap. I said:

And he's rapping?!

What happened to this show?!

What is wrong with rapping?

Lack of musical intellectualism. I don't think it's so much a problem with rapping, it's that it changes to adapt to whatever is considered popular at the time and caters to the media feedback loop. It would be like taking a movie that was created in the 70's era and changing it to be whatever viewers wanted it to be. It wouldn't be "bad"; it simply wouldn't carry the same originality. Sesame street is doing the same as MTV.

By "it" I was referring to Sesame Street. I'm sorry, that's my fault as I failed to clarify what I meant. I was commenting on Rosarium's response to Louis Martin who asked what was wrong with the show. Rosarium challenged his contention by asking what was wrong with rapping. I addressed both by telling Rosarium I didn't think Louis Martin's objection was so much with rap itself; it was the fact that Sesame Street was featuring rap. That is why I said:

...I don't think it's so much a problem with rapping, it (the problem) is that it (Sesame Street) changes to adapt to whatever is considered popular at the time and caters to the media feedback loop. It would be like taking a movie that was created in the 70's era and changing it to be whatever viewers wanted it to be. It wouldn't be "bad"; it simply wouldn't carry the same originality. Sesame street is doing the same as MTV.

But I admit, my lack of specifity caused confusion.