Fish Eaters Traditional Catholic Forum
March 18, 2010, 06:46:PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: Join in on the ongoing Rosary! Click here
 
   Fish Eaters    Forum Index   Forum Rules   Help Search Calendar Members Chat Room   Who's Chatting   Login Register  
Pages: [1]
 
Author Topic: Dangers of Unsecure Computers  (Read 645 times)
Herr_Mannelig
HIC SVNT SICARI SANCTIMONIALES

Posts: 11,156



« on: November 09, 2009, 05:20:AM »

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091109/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_a_virus_framed_me

I have heard of such things and it is painfully easy to do (get someone else's computer to do things), if they are running Windows.

While the marketing people will just say it is because more people use Windows, they forget that servers and important computers (like, ones people have real motivations to crack) do not run Windows. The truth is that Windows is highly insecure and one must use hardware firewalls and strict control over accounts to have anything like security. This is impossible unless one controls the network and knows what to change; Windows comes with horrible default settings, such as the mandatory default Admin account.

This isn't a rant against Windows, but a real danger. Infected Windows boxen make up the most powerful network of computers in the world. The function of this zombie network is unknown. Someone is using the computing power of many computers to surpass the output of super computers for no known purpose. I have treated many Windows issues, most ran anti-virus. Running anti-whatever never makes a difference for those who get bad stuff.

In my experience, the following will protect Windows against the most common technical attacks, but remember: the weakest link is always the user. Social engineering cannot be prevented with computers. That is up to the user.

* Make an account with limited rights and NEVER use the admin account to do anything other than administration (with Windows Vista, and I imagine 7, one can selectively do administration work in a limited account if the password is known. In this case, never use the admin account at all).
* When using the admin account, make sure you know EXACTLY what you are doing.
* Do not use IE or Outlook.
* Use a hardware firewall (in your router, hopefully). Do not pay for security software; I haven't seen them account do anything useful except compensate for poor design.
* Get a virus scan program such as ClamWin (well, that is the only one I have to suggest) to scan files when necessary. It won't eat your RAM, and it works for you.
* If you do get a problem with your computer, don't wait for it to become annoying. The best malware hides itself and users I've seen will tolerate weird things if it doesn't actually stop them from what they are doing at the moment. DO NOT TOLERATE ANY MALWARE! Once a computer is infected, isolated it. Do not share writable media with it. Do not use any unknown programs or sites used by that computer on others. And hopefully you can recover data you want, but scan that data with ClamWin first, and wipe the entire disk and reinstall everything from trusted sources. Do not use anti-virus programs on infected computers.

Hopefully, that will help someone. Just remember: if you are charged with looking at porn, and you deny it, and there is the slightest evidence to the contrary, no one will believe you.
Logged

stvincentferrer

Gender: Male
Posts: 1,289



« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 09:24:AM »

That's scary.

I've never used ClamWin. I've been using AVGFree for years. I recommend Malwarebytes for malware, and Comodo firewall. Also Windows users should download Hijack This! and occasionally post the results to tech forums for experts to analyze for anything suspicious in the startup programs.
Logged

BrevisVir55

Gender: Male
Posts: 2,320



« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 09:36:AM »

man, I'm 18 and I have no idea what any of this is about. I am a shame to my pc-intelligent generation.  Laughing
Logged
Herr_Mannelig
HIC SVNT SICARI SANCTIMONIALES

Posts: 11,156



« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 10:42:AM »

That's scary.

I've never used ClamWin. I've been using AVGFree for years. I recommend Malwarebytes for malware, and Comodo firewall. Also Windows users should download Hijack This! and occasionally post the results to tech forums for experts to analyze for anything suspicious in the startup programs.
AVGFree is also good I think. I recommend ClamWin because it is designed to work on servers, and be effective. On that note, it doesn't work like other anti-virus programs. It is entirely controlled by the user. (It is also GPL).

Comodo firewall is also excellent. I didn't suggest it because I think it is beyond what is strictly necessary, but for laptops or computers used on other networks (or for those lacking a firewall in hardware), I highly recommend it: http://personalfirewall.comodo.com/

For those wondering if I'm being paranoid, keep in mind Windows is a security nightmare. It has open and listening ports. It has admin rights for random things. It is a mess. You are being sold it so they can sell "upgrades". They have no incentive to make a truly effective product if they can rely on third party software and other additions.

Windows XP if fresh installed, and connected to the Internet, will start installing malware on its own within five minutes. No warnings. No signs.
Logged

stvincentferrer

Gender: Male
Posts: 1,289



« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 01:57:AM »

Clamwin has added an unnecessary toolbar option to its installer, so anyone thinking of using Clamwin should make sure to not install any toolbars during installation. Those things are a pain in the butt.

http://hphosts.blogspot.com/2009/10/goodbye-clamwin-it-was-nice-while-it.html
Logged

Iuvenalis
Come on and give me water dessERT!

Gender: Male
Personality type: Picador
Posts: 2,700


Sacred Heart of Jesus, I trust in Thee!


« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2009, 02:21:AM »

I'd add to disable a couple heinous services that practically no one uses on a home machine:

The 'safest' to disable (there are longer lists of course, but they are more likely to run into issues) --these are almost never used.

Remote Registry
Alerter
Clipbook
Messenger
Universal Plug and Play (not to be confused with Plug and Play)
Server
SSDP
NetDDE
NetDDE DSDM

Unless you're using them, disable telnet and Terminal Services as well.

Again, there are much more that one can disable, but unless you know what you're doing, you should treat lightly. The above only will almost never cause issues.
Logged

"But the naturalists go much further; for, having, in the highest things, entered upon a wholly erroneous course, they are carried headlong to extremes, either by reason of the weakness of human nature, or because God inflicts upon them the just punishment of their pride. Hence it happens that they no longer consider as certain and permanent those things which are fully understood by the natural light of reason..." Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus


SinfullyLate

Gender: Male
Personality type: Personable
Posts: 251



« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 05:38:AM »

For those wondering if I'm being paranoid, keep in mind Windows is a security nightmare. It has open and listening ports. It has admin rights for random things. It is a mess. You are being sold it so they can sell "upgrades". They have no incentive to make a truly effective product if they can rely on third party software and other additions.

Windows XP if fresh installed, and connected to the Internet, will start installing malware on its own within five minutes. No warnings. No signs.

There's no way your being paranoid Ros. I study Networking, so I can say your giving some really good advice. Although, I would recommend some kind of third party firewall.

That Yahoo story is pretty freaky though ...  Shocked
Logged

"Obama? Obama shēng jīng bìng!"
Herr_Mannelig
HIC SVNT SICARI SANCTIMONIALES

Posts: 11,156



« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 09:00:AM »

There's no way your being paranoid Ros. I study Networking, so I can say your giving some really good advice. Although, I would recommend some kind of third party firewall.

I've expressed distaste for Windows and Microsoft's OS and Office departments (not their gaming division though. If God plays video games, he plays it on the XBox (360)), so I didn't want this to be mistaken as part of that.

I did recommend a hardware firewall, but someone else brought up some good software solutions and I seconded them. I was mainly focused on stuff that people could do with very little effort.
Logged

SinfullyLate

Gender: Male
Personality type: Personable
Posts: 251



« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2009, 01:11:AM »

I've expressed distaste for Windows and Microsoft's OS and Office departments (not their gaming division though. If God plays video games, he plays it on the XBox (360)), so I didn't want this to be mistaken as part of that.

Unfortunately, using most Microsoft products is a bit like painting a target on your back  Laughing
Logged

"Obama? Obama shēng jīng bìng!"
Arun
Toxophilic Theophile

Gender: Male
Personality type: melancholic-choleric
Posts: 1,676


IN NOMINE TVO LEVABO MANVS MEAS


« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2009, 04:03:AM »

My computer does all sorts of wierd stuff. And seeing as the extent of my computer literacy is rooted in DOS and Q-BASIC I wouldn't have a clue what to do about it lol.
Logged

Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God!

Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die.

Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes!

"You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius

BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html

˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı

*Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre*
Iuvenalis
Come on and give me water dessERT!

Gender: Male
Personality type: Picador
Posts: 2,700


Sacred Heart of Jesus, I trust in Thee!


« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2009, 11:21:PM »

 Smiley

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/19/googles-chrome-os-revealed/
Logged

"But the naturalists go much further; for, having, in the highest things, entered upon a wholly erroneous course, they are carried headlong to extremes, either by reason of the weakness of human nature, or because God inflicts upon them the just punishment of their pride. Hence it happens that they no longer consider as certain and permanent those things which are fully understood by the natural light of reason..." Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus


stvincentferrer

Gender: Male
Posts: 1,289



« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2009, 03:38:AM »


That's going nowhere, despite the hype.

http://jimlynch.com/index.php/2009/09/01/google-chrome-os-the-unnecessary-operating-system/
Logged

serviam

Gender: Male
Posts: 404



« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2009, 07:36:PM »

My computer does all sorts of wierd stuff. And seeing as the extent of my computer literacy is rooted in DOS and Q-BASIC I wouldn't have a clue what to do about it lol.
At least you're honest  Smiley
Logged

In Essentials, unity; In non-essentials, liberty; In all things, Charity.
-St. Augustine
 
Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! 
- Hilaire Belloc
Iuvenalis
Come on and give me water dessERT!

Gender: Male
Personality type: Picador
Posts: 2,700


Sacred Heart of Jesus, I trust in Thee!


« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2009, 08:39:PM »


I'm sorry, what? I was just booting up my BeOS BeBox.
Logged

"But the naturalists go much further; for, having, in the highest things, entered upon a wholly erroneous course, they are carried headlong to extremes, either by reason of the weakness of human nature, or because God inflicts upon them the just punishment of their pride. Hence it happens that they no longer consider as certain and permanent those things which are fully understood by the natural light of reason..." Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus


Pages: [1]
 
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.8 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC