trad calendar

[RalphKramden]

I hope this is a good place to post this
I've go a few questions regarding the traditional calendar (1962).
First, I'm looking for a calendar online that is a list of feasts by date and a list of moveable feasts. I've found this type of calendar for the NO, but I can only find calendar grid type calendars for the '62 calendar.
Second, I'm looking for a trad franciscan calendar. I've only been able to find the 'modern calendar' for the feasts specific to the franciscans.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I'm trying to figure this calendar out and think the list form is MUCH easier to understand for me. As we are stuck attend mostly NO mass the '62 calendar is kinda foreign. Any help would be appreciated in explaining any of the 'tricky parts', if there are any? I've looked at the section on fisheaters for the liturgical year, but all or most of the dates seem to be for 2006 or so.

One more question, if I may: What do trad communities (SSPX, FSSP, etc.) do with regards to recently canonised saints? I don't want to start a firestorm debate regarding the new canonization process, but this seems to be a tough one. I don't think anyone would doubt that St. Padre Pio is truly a saint, but when is his feast celebrated in the TLM or is it just not celebrated
THANKS FOR THE HELP!

[RalphKramden]

I found what I was looking for as far as the '62 calendar (still no luck with a trad franciscan calendar), but I'm still wondering about how the newer feasts are celebrated, or not celebrated?
Really, no one has any info about this, I think we're just being shy, come on you know you want to tell me

I find it hard to believe that no trads are celebrating saints like:
Maximilian Kolbe, canonized 1982 ;Rose-Philippine Duchesne , canonized 1988; Teresa Benedict of the Cross, canonized 1998; Faustina Kowalska, canonized 2000; Katharine Drexel, canonized 2000; Josephine Bakhita, canonized 2000; Pio of Pietrelcina, canonized 2002; Juan Diego, canonized 2002; Josemaría Escrivá, canonized 2002; Theodore Guérin, canonized 2006; Damien Joseph de Veuster, canonized 2009
Or that no trads are honoring any of these people that have been declared blessed:
Pope John XXIII , 2000 (well maybe not him , just kidding ); Pope Pius IX, 2000; Francisco Marto, 2000; Jacinta Marto, 2000; Teresa of Calcutta, 2003; Anne Catherine Emmerich, 2004

I'm assuming that these people are just not celebrated, but what about those who had been beatified and have since been canonized. Are they perpetually beatified or are they referred to as saints. If they are referred to as saints and others are not, why?
Am I the only one how is wondering about this? I must be, maybe I'm just crazy and shouldn't sweet the small stuff. I just can't handle the calendar of saints staying perpetually trapped in 1962, that's just crazy! That's 22 years before I was born!

[Credo]

I'm assuming that these people are just not celebrated

"Celebrated" in what manner? Concerning that Mass and Office, the Commons could definitely cover the various saints liturgically speaking. At least regarding S. Pio of Pietrelcina, the SSPX has a school named after the guy.

[RalphKramden]

I'm assuming that these people are just not celebrated

"Celebrated" in what manner? Concerning that Mass and Office, the Commons could definitely cover the various saints liturgically speaking. At least regarding S. Pio of Pietrelcina, the SSPX has a school named after the guy.

my point is this, st. padre pio is NOT on the '62 calendar, right?
so how can a fraternity or community celebrate mass, or office in honor of a saint if said saint isn't on the calendar?

I've got to be missing something. you can't celebrate a feast that isn't on the calendar, and you can't update the calendar with the yearly ordo if you're using a '62 calendar, right?

I'm thinking this: say that someone is canonized and they are assigned a date on the calendar. well if the NO and the TLM use diffrent calendars than that addition would only be made to the NO calendar and the TLM calendar would remain as it was in '62. Is this right, or am I missing a piece of the puzzle?

Can you just use the commons for a saint that isn't on the calendar? I thought that they were for 'lesser' or 'B' saints (not sure how to say that, but it's not like every saint is a francis or benedict or dominic) that don't have a proper.
I wish someone would help me clear this up, it's getting really frustrating, maybe I'm just no expressing myself well enough.

[RalphKramden]

At least regarding S. Pio of Pietrelcina, the SSPX has a school named after the guy.

do they have any churches/chapels/mass centers named after him, or any other saint canonized since '62?
A church can celebrate the feast of its patron as a solemnity so on what date would St. Pio SSPX Chapel celebrate this solemnity?
Would it be celebrated on the NO date 9/23 or on another date? See what I'm trying to figure out?

This isn't about SSPX, they're just a good example. Any trad community or society or even a diocesan TLM works in what I'm trying to figure out.

[DesperatelySeeking]

Here's a calendar.

http://ical.mac.com/WebObjects/iCal.woa/wa/default?u=joshuakurthood&n=Liturgical%20Calendar%20according%20to%20the%20Extraordinary%20Form%20of%20the%20Roman%20Rite.ics

[RalphKramden]

Here's a calendar.

http://ical.mac.com/WebObjects/iCal.woa/wa/default?u=joshuakurthood&n=Liturgical%20Calendar%20according%20to%20the%20Extraordinary%20Form%20of%20the%20Roman%20Rite.ics

thanks

[glgas]

Here is the FSSP Calendar

http://www.fsspolgs.org/calendar.html

or you may try this, for the list of the saints only

http://divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/kalendar.pl?testmode=saint&version=1960

As for the last question there are no approved Mass or Office text for the new saints regarding the usus antiquior, so they are not used in the Liturgy or FSSP or SSPX.

I hope this is a good place to post this
I've go a few questions regarding the traditional calendar (1962).
First, I'm looking for a calendar online that is a list of feasts by date and a list of moveable feasts. I've found this type of calendar for the NO, but I can only find calendar grid type calendars for the '62 calendar.
Second, I'm looking for a trad franciscan calendar. I've only been able to find the 'modern calendar' for the feasts specific to the franciscans.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I'm trying to figure this calendar out and think the list form is MUCH easier to understand for me. As we are stuck attend mostly NO mass the '62 calendar is kinda foreign. Any help would be appreciated in explaining any of the 'tricky parts', if there are any? I've looked at the section on fisheaters for the liturgical year, but all or most of the dates seem to be for 2006 or so.

One more question, if I may: What do trad communities (SSPX, FSSP, etc.) do with regards to recently canonised saints? I don't want to start a firestorm debate regarding the new canonization process, but this seems to be a tough one. I don't think anyone would doubt that St. Padre Pio is truly a saint, but when is his feast celebrated in the TLM or is it just not celebrated
THANKS FOR THE HELP!

[StrictCatholicGirl]

Here's a calendar.

http://ical.mac.com/WebObjects/iCal.woa/wa/default?u=joshuakurthood&n=Liturgical%20Calendar%20according%20to%20the%20Extraordinary%20Form%20of%20the%20Roman%20Rite.ics

Interesting. That calendar has Frances Cabrini's feast on November 13.. but I thought that was revised. Her feast on the old calendar was December 22.

Ralph Kramden, I don't know if it's what you're looking for, but for your information and for anyone else interested --- I get a calendar from TAN every year that includes both the Novus Ordo Sundays and feast days, and the traditional Sundays and feast days as of 1962. The latter are observed whenever the traditional Latin Mass is offered. The new Sundays and feast days are designated (New). The traditional Sundays and feast days, most of which date back centuries, are designated (Trad). <----- This shows the Mass being offered at the TLM on that day. Also included are many feasts which no longer appear on either the New Calendar or the Traditional Calendar. They are designated (Hist) for historical.

There are also fish symbols on all days of fasting and abstinence, and they are various shades. The dark fish indicates days of obligatory abstinence from meat in both the NO and trad. The gray fish indicates days of obligatory abstinence in only the trad calendar. The white fish indicates days of recommended abstinence or a substitute penitential observance. There is also a HALF-white fish marking the "Ember Days." The artwork is also very traditional and beautiful. If you don't mind the revised feasts being alongside the traditional feasts, you might just like this calendar. I know I do! You can order one from TAN at: Tan Books & Publishers, Inc., Rockford ILL. 61105. Or call 1-800-437-5876, or visit www.tanbooks.com on the web.

[RalphKramden]

Interesting. That calendar has Frances Cabrini's feast on November 13.. but I thought that was revised. Her feast on the old calendar was December 22.

Ralph Kramden, I don't know if it's what you're looking for, but for your information and for anyone else interested --- I get a calendar from TAN every year that includes both the Novus Ordo Sundays and feast days, and the traditional Sundays and feast days as of 1962. The latter are observed whenever the traditional Latin Mass is offered. The new Sundays and feast days are designated (New). The traditional Sundays and feast days, most of which date back centuries, are designated (Trad). <----- This shows the Mass being offered at the TLM on that day. Also included are many feasts which no longer appear on either the New Calendar or the Traditional Calendar. They are designated (Hist) for historical.

There are also fish symbols on all days of fasting and abstinence, and they are various shades. The dark fish indicates days of obligatory abstinence from meat in both the NO and trad. The gray fish indicates days of obligatory abstinence in only the trad calendar. The white fish indicates days of recommended abstinence or a substitute penitential observance. There is also a HALF-white fish marking the "Ember Days." The artwork is also very traditional and beautiful. If you don't mind the revised feasts being alongside the traditional feasts, you might just like this calendar. I know I do! You can order one from TAN at: Tan Books & Publishers, Inc., Rockford ILL. 61105. Or call 1-800-437-5876, or visit www.tanbooks.com on the web.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I can't believe I've never seem that, I'm on the TAN website at least a few times a month. I appreciate your help so much!

[StrictCatholicGirl]

You're very welcome! Oh, and I love your username and avatar, Ralph Kramden! Makes me smile every time