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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2009, 07:04:AM » |
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Aliens are demons. Another tool of Satan to deceive us.
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Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2009, 07:05:AM » |
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Aliens are demons. Another tool of Satan to deceive us.
You say that with incredible confidence. Makes you wonder if he has more evidence of alien life than everyone else. |
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2009, 07:07:AM » |
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Aliens are demons. Another tool of Satan to deceive us.
You say that with incredible confidence. Makes you wonder if he has more evidence of alien life than everyone else. Just like everything else he posts.  I'm just having fun, Vetus. You're alright. Bring the old avatar back though. That was just mean. |
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"It is the primary duty of a Christian, to convince those who consider themselves modern,
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"Just be cool buddy, your not fugly."
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2009, 04:08:PM » |
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I just got done reading C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy, and I think this astronomer has been reading it as well...
Although fictional, Lewis does incorporate aliens into a Christian universe. The rational life forms of Mars never committed original sin, and thus the three intelligent life forms on the planet never needed redemption. However, Lewis still considers Earth to be a sort of "nexus point" in the salvation/creation history. In Perelandra, Lewis says that all subsequent created life forms would be in the form of man, since it was the form that the Word Himself assumed. Of course, there are no other fallen planets in Lewis's world, but if there were, he still says that God would be able to redeem them.
I don't know if there are aliens, but I think the question that arises from it is interesting, nonetheless.
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2009, 05:42:AM » |
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If this race of beings had not fallen, then how would it be right and fitting for a female from a fallen race to be Queen of the Angels and Mother of the Incarnate God?
Presumeably Angels are higher in the hierarchy of creation than men, in as much as they are unfallen and unfettered by human bodies and all the other limitations of a physical existence, such as death.
Why should Mary get that supreme honour (Queen of the Angels) and not a member of their unfallen race? Seems a little unjust to me.
Besides, is there as much as the vaguest shred of evidence for any life on any other planet? Is not ALL of this based on the THEORY of evolution and the fact that there are a heck of a large number of stars in the visible universe.
In that sense I reject the entire thing. Because I know what lies at the root of it.
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2009, 05:44:AM » |
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Why should Mary get that supreme honour (Queen of the Angels) and not a member of their unfallen race? Seems a little unjust to me.
That is exactly what Satan thinks. Why should a lesser being be placed above it? Do you think Satan is just? |
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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2009, 05:53:AM » |
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If Mary is the only person from a singular race in the entire universe who remained free of sin, and in addition consented of her own free will to become the Mother of Jesus, then I can see why God would make her Queen of Heaven.
If there are unfallen races of millions of other alien beings out there I cannot see why she should get that particular honour.
And in a seemingly infinite universe why would God stop at two ensouled races of beings? Why not have a race in every single galaxy, of which there are millions.
It's horseshit. We are alone in the universe, except for God and the Angels and demons. All the rest is just lighting and special effects.
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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2009, 11:21:AM » |
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Aliens are demons. Another tool of Satan to deceive us.
You say that with incredible confidence. There's no other rational explanation to it. |
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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2009, 01:40:PM » |
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Aliens are demons. Another tool of Satan to deceive us.
You say that with incredible confidence. There's no other rational explanation to it. But you say "aliens are demons", without qualifying what "aliens" are. Are you referring to the popular notion of "alien" life with their saucers, big eyes, anal compulsiveness and grey skin or are you referring to the concept of life on heavenly bodies other than earth? As far as we know, there are no aliens, therefore, you are saying they are a tool of Satan when there is no data concerning them. We probably won't get more than this out of you, I imagine: Aliens are demons. Period.
For the curious, we had a discussion and poll on aliens (popular notion) here: http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3422059.75.html |
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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2009, 03:01:PM » |
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If this race of beings had not fallen, then how would it be right and fitting for a female from a fallen race to be Queen of the Angels and Mother of the Incarnate God?
Presumeably Angels are higher in the hierarchy of creation than men, in as much as they are unfallen and unfettered by human bodies and all the other limitations of a physical existence, such as death.
Why should Mary get that supreme honour (Queen of the Angels) and not a member of their unfallen race? Seems a little unjust to me.
Besides, is there as much as the vaguest shred of evidence for any life on any other planet? Is not ALL of this based on the THEORY of evolution and the fact that there are a heck of a large number of stars in the visible universe.
In that sense I reject the entire thing. Because I know what lies at the root of it.
Again, I don't really know if aliens exist. And if alien life did exist, its also possible that there is no other rational life forms in the universe (and then its still us and angels). However, for the sake of this question, I'm going to assume rational alien life exists. First, I think you're looking at Mary privileges the wrong way. Mary is not Queen of Heaven, because she is sinless. She is Queen of Heaven, because she's the Mother of God (and that's also why she was preserved from sin in the first place). Secondly, the nature of man was exalted because of the Incarnation. Since the Word became flesh, we're now at a state infinitely superior to before the Fall. Thus, in light of the Incarnation, Mary's status as Queen of Heaven makes sense. She's the Morning Star of the form that the Savior assumed. Thus, she's higher in the hierarchy of grace than even any unfallen creature (whether they be pure spirit or corporal). In the Space Trilogy, Lewis specifically addressed where man fits in the hierarchy of rational beings. In Out of the Silent Planet, the main character travels to Mars and encounters three species of rational creatures (each with a unique form). Each species is unfallen, and they are regularly in communion with angels and God Himself ("walking with God"). The second book, Perelandra involves the creation of life on Venus. God recently made rational life on Venus, and he sends the main character from the first book to the planet to try to act as a counter-tempter and prevent the the rational creatures (one species with the form of man) on that planet from falling to the temptation of the devil. Since these rational creatures were created after our own planet's Fall, they only have the form of man, because it is God's own chosen form. Thus, man still holds a prominent place in the hierarchy of creation, despite there being other rational creatures. Its good fiction... |
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« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2009, 03:04:PM » |
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I believe there is a divine wisdom in God that gave us the Bible and not The Hitchhikers' Guide to the GalaxyThere is enough to battle with humans and earthbound demons, I don't need to go looking for a more exotic brand of trouble.  |
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A good friend and worthy adversary.
Live your life in such a way that every morning when your feet hit the floor...Satan shudders and says..."Oh No...he's AWAKE!"
Sometimes the Internet reminds me of being in a chicken coop with an infinite number of Chicken Littles at any given millisecond dodging pieces of their falling skies.
There is a subtle difference between "invincible ignorance" and intolerably stupid.
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« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2009, 03:50:PM » |
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Basically the documentary said that despite billions of dollars spent there was absoloutely no evidence of life on Mars.
But they'd keep on looking for it anyway.
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« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2009, 05:00:PM » |
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Basically the documentary said that despite billions of dollars spent there was absoloutely no evidence of life on Mars.
But they'd keep on looking for it anyway.
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"O MARY, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."
"Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church." - Pius IX, Singulari Quidem.
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« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2009, 05:40:PM » |
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I'm reminded of Poul Anderson's story "High Crusade". English Knights and Priests from the 12th century steal a spaceship that came to destroy their village, and end up conquering and converting all the Galaxy to Catholicism. Great read. :-)
I have a Sci Fi story I want to write, and I do want to explore the issue of whether the alien races need redemption, and also, how the aliens in their own faith view the Catholics of Earth. I haven't figured out all the details yet, but definitely no stain of liberalism there. That's my intent at least!
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