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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2009, 09:44:PM » |
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Greek liturgy PWNS you.
Sorry, but you Latins are insane, with your separating the sacraments of initiation and everything else.
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2009, 10:35:PM » |
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Greek liturgy PWNS you.
Sorry, but you Latins are insane, with your separating the sacraments of initiation and everything else.
*scoffs to himself*
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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2009, 04:41:AM » |
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I believe Ravenonthecross is, literally, as well. A wish to be able to experience such.
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2009, 07:15:AM » |
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I believe Ravenonthecross is, literally, as well. A wish to be able to experience such.
That would be pretty sweet. Except that it is impossible, because it has not been used since 1604.  |
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In Essentials, unity; In non-essentials, liberty; In all things, Charity.
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Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2009, 07:24:AM » |
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I so much and often wish to attend an otherworldly-High Mass of St. :Pius V.  Where on earth (literally) are you planning to hear Mass according to the Missal of S. Pius V? Have you ever wondered at the disparity in terms referring to the liturgy between East and West? Like, a priest is offering the liturgy, but says Mass. The laity attend liturgy, but hear Mass. It's almost as if a mindset has come in where the liturgy is about participation but the Mass is about observation. |
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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2009, 07:59:AM » |
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Have you ever wondered at the disparity in terms referring to the liturgy between East and West? Like, a priest is offering the liturgy, but says Mass. The laity attend liturgy, but hear Mass. It's almost as if a mindset has come in where the liturgy is about participation but the Mass is about observation. Oh boy, here we go again... Honestly, I've never seen people so full of themselves as these "easterners". There always seems to be a schismatic tendency in their speech, a kind of antagonism of East versus West ready to be blown on our faces! I'm sorry if I'm being unjust with you, Melkite, but I've seen this too many times. Every approved rite of the Holy Roman Church is fitting to offer the Holy Mass. Difference in terminology between East and West doesn't mean superiority or inferiority of one over the other. The Holy Mass is the Holy Mass, whether it's called "litourgeia" or "missa". In fact, if there would ever be some kind of a superiority in terms or mindset between the two - which I don't think that exists - that would be the West, since the Holy See is in Rome, not in Constantinople or in any other eastern See. Participation by the laity in the Mass can be achieved in different forms, whether by having the congregation respond out loud or by encouraging other devotions, but we must earnestly avoid the heretical notions brought about by the Protestant Revolt and recently favored by the Novus Ordo Church and the New Mass that the Mass is to be focused on the people. |
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Melkite
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« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2009, 08:30:AM » |
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Oh, haha, sorry, I wasn't suggesting a superiority/inferiority dichotomy. I just thought it was interesting that Latins, especially traditional ones, tend to use observatory verbs to describe what they're doing, but Easterners tend to use participatory verbs. I wasn't suggesting that coming from an observatory perspective was necessarily wrong. It was more a verbalized curiousity at why such a dichotomy developed. Nothing more |
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2009, 07:19:AM » |
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I've been to both many, many times, but wasn't raised in either. I love Divine Liturgy, but feel more at home at a TLM, probably because I'm a westerner, and Roman Catholic.
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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2009, 08:34:AM » |
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I've been to both many, many times, but wasn't raised in either. I love Divine Liturgy, but feel more at home at a TLM, probably because I'm a westerner, and Roman Catholic.
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In Essentials, unity; In non-essentials, liberty; In all things, Charity.
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Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!
- Hilaire Belloc
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« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2009, 09:55:AM » |
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Alright, perhaps, I should have spoken with greater specificity; I meant rather, that I've waited patiently and pine after the opportunity to see the Mass of St. Pius V as the mass codified by him. For I wish to view a High Tridentine Mass according to the recension of Bl. John XXIII's missal.
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We fly to thy patronage,O holy Mother of God;despise not our petitions in our necessities, but from all dangers deliver us always, O glorious and blessed Virgin. Amen. [Prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary, circa 250 A.D.]
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« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2009, 09:32:PM » |
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I find it impossible to choose between the usus antiquior and the Byzantine liturgy.
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« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2009, 11:17:PM » |
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I find it impossible to choose between the usus antiquior and the Byzantine liturgy.
So, you attend the NO because you can't make up your mind? You stay at home? It must be possible to choose. |
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« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2009, 10:43:AM » |
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I so much and often wish to attend an otherworldly-High Mass of St. :Pius V. Where on earth (literally) are you planning to hear Mass according to the Missal of S. Pius V? Have you ever wondered at the disparity in terms referring to the liturgy between East and West? Like, a priest is offering the liturgy, but says Mass. The laity attend liturgy, but hear Mass. It's almost as if a mindset has come in where the liturgy is about participation but the Mass is about observation. The terms I most often hear are that the priest "offers" Mass and the faithful "assist" at Mass. |
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anthony
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« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2009, 05:35:PM » |
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Just so I'm clear:
I was being sardonic in my earlier post.
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"It is the primary duty of a Christian, to convince those who consider themselves modern,
that human nature should not be interpreted with systematic pessimism nor with shallow
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— Pius XII (Humani Generis)
"Just be cool buddy, your not fugly."
— CanadianCatholic
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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2009, 05:40:PM » |
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Just so I'm clear:
I was being sardonic in my earlier post.
Since you're a Byzantine Catholic, maybe you can help me with this. Why is it that Easterns recieve Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist all as infants? |
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In Essentials, unity; In non-essentials, liberty; In all things, Charity.
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Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!
- Hilaire Belloc
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