Does It Really Say That in the Talmud?

[John92]

To be totally honest, I've been looking through the Talmud lately . . . the vast vast majority of it has nothing to do with gentiles or jesus.

I swear you could spend three hours picking random lines from the different tractates and not find one thing about gentiles or Jesus Christ.

That ain't to say that anti-gentile and anti-Christian attitudes are very much a part of Jewish (including atheist Jewish) culture today, but I'm starting to suspect that this has its origins in the history and general "attitudes" of the Jewish people more than their sacred texts per se.

I dunno tho, just chucking in my two cents.

btw you can find the entire talmud here, http://www.halakhah.com/  Fascinating stuff really.  Christ's criticisms of Pharisaism were very true . . . they have an extremely rigid adherence to the Law *except* the "hard stuff" which the Rabbis find justification for abrogating.  There's also a lot that seems geared to make you "seem holy", with very very little on the internal side of religion.

Fascinating stuff though, I encourage you to check it out.

Edit: lemme modify that a bit, anti-gentilism sure comes through; I mean the Jewish Rabbis in the Talmud really believe that they're closer to God and that the gentiles can't come even close to the Jewish "level" of things.  But that's not the focus of the work, not even close, while reading "anti-semitic" literature can give you that impression.  99% of it is about how to perform the various rites and prayers of the Pharisaic sect of Judaism.  It might just be the driest thing ever set to parchment (still fascinating though!)

[James02]

I can't believe this is even being debated by Traditionalists.  The Talmud has been UTTERLY condemned by the Catholic Church.  Pope after Pope has condemned it, and it was burned whenever found.  It is a filthy disgusting piece of rubbish that is completely blasphemous and virulently anti-Catholic.  Make no excuse for this trash.

The Talmud is most definitely anti-Christian, but it seems to me that this needs to be seen in the context of the times.

It WAS investigated by the context of the times.  The Talmud was hidden by the Jews, successfully, until around 1200 AD.  It was only discovered when a rabbi who converted revealed it to the Pope.   It was thoroughly investigated and the Jews were ordered to attend the inquiry and offer an explanation.   By the way, the sorry old canard that the "Jesus and Mary" in the Talmud, that is the demon possessed sorcerer and his whore mother, where some different "Jesus and Mary" who happened to live in Israel from 0-33 A.D. was what the Jews put up for their defense.  They were laughed out of the investigation and the Talmud was ordered collected and burned.

The Lord's own Mother is insulted by this rag.  Have some righteous indignation for our Lord's mother and quit apologizing for Jewish filth.  This is a settled matter.

To answer the original question, yes, most assuredly the Talmud contains the filth you describe, as well as a bunch of other trash.

[Vetus Ordo]

I can't believe this is even being debated by Traditionalists.  The Talmud has been UTTERLY condemned by the Catholic Church.  Pope after Pope has condemned it, and it was burned whenever found.  It is a filthy disgusting piece of rubbish that is completely blasphemous and virulently anti-Catholic.  Make no excuse for this trash.

The Talmud is most definitely anti-Christian, but it seems to me that this needs to be seen in the context of the times.

It WAS investigated by the context of the times.  The Talmud was hidden by the Jews, successfully, until around 1200 AD.  It was only discovered when a rabbi who converted revealed it to the Pope.   It was thoroughly investigated and the Jews were ordered to attend the inquiry and offer an explanation.   By the way, the sorry old canard that the "Jesus and Mary" in the Talmud, that is the demon possessed sorcerer and his whore mother, where some different "Jesus and Mary" who happened to live in Israel from 0-33 A.D. was what the Jews put up for their defense.  They were laughed out of the investigation and the Talmud was ordered collected and burned.

The Lord's own Mother is insulted by this rag.  Have some righteous indignation for our Lord's mother and quit apologizing for Jewish filth.  This is a settled matter.

To answer the original question, yes, most assuredly the Talmud contains the filth you describe, as well as a bunch of other trash.

Amen! Good to see there are still catholics who can reason properly. The Talmud is the pinnacle of Jewish filth.

[James02]

In the 1st century Christians were a small sect of Greek-speaking Jews that were advocating not practising their religion.

Utter heresy.  The first century Catholics were busy offering the Sacrifice of the Mass.  They were also providing the other Sacraments including Baptism (in every case), Confirmation, Marriage, Confession, Orders, and Annointing of the Sick.  They even practiced the minor sacramentals such as Exorcism.  You are utterly wrong. 

[Vetus Ordo]

In the 1st century Christians were a small sect of Greek-speaking Jews that were advocating not practising their religion.

Utter heresy.  The first century Catholics were busy offering the Sacrifice of the Mass.  They were also providing the other Sacraments including Baptism (in every case), Marriage, Confession, Orders, and Annointing of the Sick.  They even practiced the minor sacramentals such as Exorcism.  You are utterly wrong. 

I think he's a Jew, James.

[alaric]

I am not sure that anti-Semitic literature is the best source of information for the Talmud; I have read, for instance, that Justinas Pranaitis, author of the work known in English as The Talmud Unmasked, was quite ignorant of important elements of the Jewish religion, and mistranslated passages of the Talmud.

Who says it's "antisemitic"? You or old foxy Abe?

Define antisemitism............

From the OED: "Theory, action, or practice directed against the Jews."

From Wikipedia: "Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice against or hostility towards Jews, often rooted in hatred of their ethnic background, culture, or religion. While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, since the term was invented it has been used to refer exclusively to hostility toward Jews."

Is that good enough for you?

Abusus non tollit usum, my friend; the abuse of the term by Abe Foxman and his ilk should not preclude others from making legitimate use thereof.

As a recent letter signed by 27 high-profile leaders of the Anglo-Jewish community states: "Anti-Semitism is far too grave a charge to be used as a political football." That does not mean that the charge of anti-Semitism cannot be made at all, particularly as regards such literature as has copious recourse to lies and distortions in order to attack Jews.

What's OED?

Wikipedia........meh.

I wouldn't give a ratz azz to what dumper Abe of anyone of of the plethora of Jews orgs dictate to us just how and when to accuse someone or something as "antisemitic". They are all pathological liars and paranoid delusional lunatics and shysters, who despise not only the Church, but any non-jew who doesn't proselytise before their "God's chosen" status.

To me antisemitism is a word or a phrase which is used against anyone (and yes that include Popes and Catholic bishops) who doesn't exactly go along with which the Jews insist is reality or Israel in any way shape or form.

As far as "copious lies and distortions", about the Judaics, let's here a few.

The reality is, anytime one might bring forth the least little bit about their own exaggerations and distortions is automatically dismissed as "antisemitic" and irrelevant and either ostracised or quite possibly incarcerated.

There are numerous examples of those being silenced, suppressed, and even imprisoned at the behest of the eternal victims.

[Arun]

how do you propose we find an objective critical source on judaism, who has not been labelled an "antisemite" or "judaphobe" then?

[SinfullyLate]

The OP isn't asking whether the Talmud is anti-christian - he's asking if and where certian heretical statements are in the Talmud. I would like to know the same.

[Heinrich]

OED = Oxford English Dictionary

[John92]

The OP isn't asking whether the Talmud is anti-christian - he's asking if and where certian heretical statements are in the Talmud. I would like to know the same.

Here's a list from a typical loopy anti-Talmud website, you can verify the citations at http://www.halakhah.com/

* “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)

* “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)

* “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

* “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)

* “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)

* “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)

[’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]

* Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)

* “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)

* “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)

* “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)

* “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

I've heard others than these but I guess this is a start.

[Herr_Mannelig]

About Yeshu/Yashu, this is vague and may not actually refer to Jesus, however, modern Jews use this to instead of Jesus's name, so whatever the original intent, modern Jews associate those statements with Jesus.

[John92]

About Yeshu/Yashu, this is vague and may not actually refer to Jesus, however, modern Jews use this to instead of Jesus's name, so whatever the original intent, modern Jews associate those statements with Jesus.

Yeah, that and also plenty of modern-day, respectable scholars of the Talmud argue that these passages are meant to refer to Jesus.  Not that that necessarily makes it so or anything, but it's still not such a controversial position to take.

[Clare]

Some of the passages are just misunderstood, like the idea that Jews are allowed to rape girls under 3 years - that passage is just saying that, if a girl is raped at less than 3 years of age, she can still be considered a virgin for legal purposes.

But a 4 year old rape victim can't?

[Melita]

Some of the passages are just misunderstood, like the idea that Jews are allowed to rape girls under 3 years - that passage is just saying that, if a girl is raped at less than 3 years of age, she can still be considered a virgin for legal purposes.

But a 4 year old rape victim can't?

I was wondering that too....

Utterly unjustifiable. And if the Talmud is helping to ingrain anti-Christian attitudes in Jewish people, that's cause for real concern.

[John92]

Some of the passages are just misunderstood, like the idea that Jews are allowed to rape girls under 3 years - that passage is just saying that, if a girl is raped at less than 3 years of age, she can still be considered a virgin for legal purposes.

But a 4 year old rape victim can't?

Not sure, you'd have to ask an Orthodox rabbi <shrugs>  It's possible that a 4 year old victim would just be unclean and have to take a bath beginning at the time that three stars are visible in the sky with rainwater collected two weeks previous with a pH less than 7.

Talmudic law is very dense >.<