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« on: November 15, 2009, 04:22:PM » |
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What do you think?
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StrictCatholicGirl
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2009, 04:24:PM » |
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Looks like both of us prefer both of them. lol
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2009, 04:26:PM » |
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Looks like both of us prefer both of them. lol
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Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!
- Hilaire Belloc
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 04:41:PM » |
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What are the arguments pro and con?
Isn't it true that under the EO only the Body and Blood of Christ in the form of unleavened bread is normally offered?
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 05:05:PM » |
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What are the arguments pro and con?
Isn't it true that under the EO only the Body and Blood of Christ in the form of unleavened bread is normally offered?
Recieving both the Sacred Host and the Precious Blood is a very ancient practice. The East has always done it this way. The West (until recently) discontinued the practice during the twelfth century. I understand you do not have to recieve both to recieve the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ, but there is rich symbolism behind recieving both. |
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Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!
- Hilaire Belloc
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 05:09:PM » |
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I think it doesn't really matter, as long as the method of distribution is completely safe. No risk of desecration.
The Latin rite has changed several times, mainly for health/safety reasons or theological emphasis.
I voted for one though, with the Latin rite in mind.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2009, 05:10:PM » |
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Only one. There is no need to go to Communion twice. The Bread has the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus so there is no need to have Communion twice.
Another thing is distributing the Cup allows for more abuses and spills.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2009, 05:18:PM » |
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Only one. There is no need to go to Communion twice. The Bread has the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus so there is no need to have Communion twice.
Another thing is distributing the Cup allows for more abuses and spills.
The Eastern rites do it differently. No risk of spills. Intinction is a great way to receive. The good side to this is that one can only receive on the tongue and distributed by the priest. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 05:20:PM » |
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Only one. There is no need to go to Communion twice. The Bread has the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus so there is no need to have Communion twice.
Another thing is distributing the Cup allows for more abuses and spills.
If the host flakes onto the patten, their is no way to ensure the particles stay on the patten. Especially when the priest is walking back to the begining of the Communion rail with the server following.Not all the flakes are going to be obviously visible for the priest to remove from the patten. |
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Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!
- Hilaire Belloc
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 05:20:PM » |
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Only one. There is no need to go to Communion twice. The Bread has the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus so there is no need to have Communion twice.
Another thing is distributing the Cup allows for more abuses and spills.
The Eastern rites do it differently. No risk of spills. Intinction is a great way to receive. The good side to this is that one can only receive on the tongue and distributed by the priest. I love the way the Eastern Catholics recieve communion. |
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In Essentials, unity; In non-essentials, liberty; In all things, Charity.
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Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!
- Hilaire Belloc
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 05:31:PM » |
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Only one. There is no need to go to Communion twice. The Bread has the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus so there is no need to have Communion twice.
Another thing is distributing the Cup allows for more abuses and spills.
The Eastern rites do it differently. No risk of spills. Intinction is a great way to receive. The good side to this is that one can only receive on the tongue and distributed by the priest. I agree but I was talking specifically about the Latin Rite. |
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2009, 05:33:PM » |
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If the host flakes onto the patten, their is no way to ensure the particles stay on the patten. Especially when the priest is walking back to the begining of the Communion rail with the server following.Not all the flakes are going to be obviously visible for the priest to remove from the patten.
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In Essentials, unity; In non-essentials, liberty; In all things, Charity.
-St. Augustine
Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!
- Hilaire Belloc
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2009, 05:43:PM » |
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Only one. There is no need to go to Communion twice. The Bread has the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus so there is no need to have Communion twice.
Another thing is distributing the Cup allows for more abuses and spills.
The Eastern rites do it differently. No risk of spills. Intinction is a great way to receive. The good side to this is that one can only receive on the tongue and distributed by the priest. I agree but I was talking specifically about the Latin Rite. That method is also found in the NO at least on paper. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2009, 06:00:PM » |
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What are the arguments pro and con?
Isn't it true that under the EO only the Body and Blood of Christ in the form of unleavened bread is normally offered?
Recieving both the Sacred Host and the Precious Blood is a very ancient practice. The East has always done it this way. The West (until recently) discontinued the practice during the twelfth century. I understand you do not have to recieve both to recieve the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ, but there is rich symbolism behind recieving both. Interesting, I always wondered why the EO doesn't distribute to the congregation in both species. So it was solely an issue of risk of abuse then (i.e. wine is easily spilled/dribbled)? Or was there some other reason? My own totally uneducated opinion on the matter . . . seems like it'd be nice to receive under both species, it does preserve the "symbolism" better (after all Christ consecrated bread *and* wine and offered both), but I guess I don't feel that strongly one way or the other. At my NO parish (my only parish pretty much lol) I generally receive only the Consecrated Host, just because it messes up the communion line if I receive the other species as well. Incidentally, as long as we're on the topic, how come we use unleavened bread and the Easterners use leavened bread and why is it such an issue (besides the fact that the Normans forced Greek Christians to switch to unleavened bread in Sicily)? |
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Herr_Mannelig
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2009, 06:03:PM » |
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Interesting, I always wondered why the EO doesn't distribute to the congregation in both species.
So it was solely an issue of risk of abuse then (i.e. wine is easily spilled/dribbled)? Or was there some other reason?
There were health and theological issues. I don't know the entire story, but it has been used to combat heresy that the Eucharist isn't the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord, to combat the plague and other diseases, and for practical reasons. |
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