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« on: November 19, 2009, 05:24:AM » |
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Recently, I was reading an article and I found out that the Five Holy Wounds of Our Lord were considered to be:
2 wounds because of the nails on His hands;
2 wounds because of the nails on His feet;
1 wound because of the piercing of the lance on His side;
I'll be honest, I've never given this much thought because I was taught as a child that the Five Holy Wounds of Our Lord were:
2 wounds because of the nails on His hands;
1 wound because of the nail on His feet;
1 wound because of the piercing of the lance on His side;
1 wound because of the crown of thorns on His head.
So, can anyone enlighten me on this?
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RalphKramden
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 05:52:AM » |
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I've only ever heard of the first list, but I don't think it really matters as long as your prayers and devotions are pious.
The only problem I can see with the second list is that the devotion is to honor the principal wounds of the crucifixion and rather one or two nails were used, two wounds would result.
If you honor the crowning with thorns as one of the five wounds, why not the scourging or wound of the holy shoulder?
Just my thoughts, I'd stick to the first list, seems more logical to me. I think it's commendable to meditate on the passion regardless of how one chooses to number things.
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 10:40:AM » |
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I've heard them described by Fr. Malachi Martin as groups of wounds.
1) hands
2) feet
3) Thorns
4) Shoulder
5) Lance wound
Not necessarily in that order.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 11:14:AM » |
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Here is the FE page on it: http://www.fisheaters.com/5wounds.htmlThere were many wounds (thousands), so devotion to Our Lords passion in any form is fruitful. Personally, I most often focus on the should wound, which is not publicly recorded, as it has been revealed in private revelation that it was the singly most painful wound. http://www.olrl.org/pray/shwound.shtmlI think there may be a distinction between the Holy Wounds Devotion, as officially approved, and devotion to the wounds and Passion of Our Lord. The five listed seem to be the most distinct wounds, which were recorded as being visible when He was risen (to Thomas, in particular). |
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 12:26:PM » |
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You are right about Our Lord having thousands of wounds. This crucifix is the most incredible crucifix I have ever seen....  |
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 12:57:PM » |
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Impressive crucifix, Peter.  |
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"O MARY, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee."
"Teach them that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the community of His children. There is only one true, holy, Catholic church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded in Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church." - Pius IX, Singulari Quidem.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 11:35:PM » |
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Funny this thread should be here because today in Mass with the primary school children I teach the priest asked why there were 5 marks on the altar. Usually the kids next to me nudge me for an answer, but I had no idea. I was furiously thinking "Five, five?" The answer was the "five wounds". Which makes me think that no matter what exactly the 5 wounds were, the tradition comes from somewhere pretty good. Any one like HK know the origins of how this belief became so important as to still mark our altars with it?
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 12:14:AM » |
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Vetus I was always taught the same one you were.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2009, 12:16:AM » |
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You are right about Our Lord having thousands of wounds. This crucifix is the most incredible crucifix I have ever seen.... Wow I've never seen that graphic of a crucifix. Not that its a bad thing just sayin' usually they arent like MEl Gibsons Movie. |
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2009, 12:45:AM » |
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Wow I've never seen that graphic of a crucifix. Not that its a bad thing just sayin' usually they arent like MEl Gibsons Movie.
I've seen more detailed statues of Christ's passion. I think they are good to have around. For those who are uncomfortable around them, they should focus on them more. |
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2009, 01:16:AM » |
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Yeah but why the 5?
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2009, 07:52:AM » |
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Yeah but why the 5?
The correct list in the second as my be seen from the indulgenced prayers used by the Church. As to why the head is not included, I would guess one reason might be because when the Mass was written, there already existed a devotion to the wounds of the crown of thorns in the form of the Mass for the Crown of Thorns, Sacrae Spinae DNIC |
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2009, 09:48:AM » |
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Yeah but why the 5?
Each of the five holy wounds were actual piercings of our Saviour's body, I don't think the other wounds, even the crown of thorns are quite the same. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2009, 08:23:AM » |
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Funny this thread should be here because today in Mass with the primary school children I teach the priest asked why there were 5 marks on the altar. Usually the kids next to me nudge me for an answer, but I had no idea. I was furiously thinking "Five, five?" The answer was the "five wounds". Which makes me think that no matter what exactly the 5 wounds were, the tradition comes from somewhere pretty good. Any one like HK know the origins of how this belief became so important as to still mark our altars with it?
five marks on the altar? where? was he talking about the marks made with chrism when the altar is consecrated? i can't find this on the main FE site. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2009, 11:27:AM » |
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Funny this thread should be here because today in Mass with the primary school children I teach the priest asked why there were 5 marks on the altar. Usually the kids next to me nudge me for an answer, but I had no idea. I was furiously thinking "Five, five?" The answer was the "five wounds". Which makes me think that no matter what exactly the 5 wounds were, the tradition comes from somewhere pretty good. Any one like HK know the origins of how this belief became so important as to still mark our altars with it?
five marks on the altar? where? was he talking about the marks made with chrism when the altar is consecrated? i can't find this on the main FE site. I believe that's referring to the five crosses inscribed on the altar stone... |
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