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« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2009, 08:47:AM » |
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Walty, you're slippin', my friend...
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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2009, 08:49:AM » |
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Walty, you're slippin', my friend...
Not slippin... sippin |
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Texican
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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2009, 08:50:AM » |
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Not slippin... sippin
Hanging out with DK, are you? |
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Walty
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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2009, 08:59:AM » |
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DK and I would probably get along just fine if we were.
A fw whiskys spot o the tongue an everythin in the wrld is alright lad yea just alrigt
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Texican
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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2009, 09:03:AM » |
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DK and I would probably get along just fine if we were.
A fw whiskys spot o the tongue an everythin in the wrld is alright lad yea just alrigt
So you are with DK! |
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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2009, 10:05:AM » |
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Threads like this surprise me. I just don't understand how anybody could think that the Santa myth (or any other) could threaten a properly catechized child's faith? There's absolutely no comparison. I find it bizarre.
Cardinal Pie puts the whole issue in perspective. "Again, when commentating on the first three petitions of the Our Father, "Hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it isin heaven," he insisted that all these demand the public social reign of God, through the acknowledgement of our Lord Jesus Christ whom the Father has sent. The Name of God is not hallowed as it should be, if It is not hallowed publically and socially. Our Lord's Kingdom is meant to come, not only to individual souls and in heaven, but on earth, through the submission to states and nations to His rule. The will of God is not done on earth as it is in heaven if organized societes here below do not acknowledge their duties to God through our Lord Jesus Christ. "The Catholic," he goes on to say "is not a being who shuts himself up in an oratory,from which the tumult of the world is carefully excluded and who, occupied with saving his own soul, takes no interest in the which the world is going...When The Lord taught His Apostles the Our Father, He made it clear that none of His followers could accomplish the first act of religion, which is prayer, without putting himself in relation with all that can advance or retard, favor or hinder, the reign of God on earth and he must do this in proportion to his intellectual attainments and to the extent of the Horizon open before him...As long as this world lasts let us neverconsent to limit the reign of God to heaven or to heaven and the interior of souls. 'Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.' The dethronement of God on earth is a crime, to which we must never become resigned. Let us never cease to protest against it."" So you can cut and paste, but can you explain what one thing has to do with the other? |
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« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2009, 03:30:PM » |
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Maybe I shouldn't have posted such a long piece but I was constrained by time. More to the point.
"When The Lord taught His Apostles the Our Father, He made it clear that none of His followers could accomplish the first act of religion, which is prayer, without putting himself in relation with all that can advance or retard, favor or hinder, the reign of God on earth and he must do this in proportion to his intellectual attainments and to the extent of the Horizon open before him"
Does the the culture of Santa and buying a lot of useless crap from wal-mart "favor or hinder" the reign of God on earth? I believe it hinders it, so do many others, hence the thread.
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"When The Lord taught His Apostles the Our Father, He made it clear that none of His followers could accomplish the first act of religion, which is prayer, without putting himself in relation with all that can advance or retard, favor or hinder, the reign of God on earth and he must do this in proportion to his intellectual attainments and to the extent of the Horizon open before him" Cardinal Pie of Poitiers
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« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2009, 04:43:PM » |
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Maybe I shouldn't have posted such a long piece but I was constrained by time. More to the point.
"When The Lord taught His Apostles the Our Father, He made it clear that none of His followers could accomplish the first act of religion, which is prayer, without putting himself in relation with all that can advance or retard, favor or hinder, the reign of God on earth and he must do this in proportion to his intellectual attainments and to the extent of the Horizon open before him"
Does the the culture of Santa and buying a lot of useless crap from wal-mart "favor or hinder" the reign of God on earth? I believe it hinders it, so do many others, hence the thread.
I don' t know which God you're talking about, but mine can't be hindered by either Santa or Wal-Mart. Weak people of small faith might be distracted by those things, though. |
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« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2009, 05:01:PM » |
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Well, weak people are the ones we should be protecting from sophisticated advertising / cultural warfare.
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"When The Lord taught His Apostles the Our Father, He made it clear that none of His followers could accomplish the first act of religion, which is prayer, without putting himself in relation with all that can advance or retard, favor or hinder, the reign of God on earth and he must do this in proportion to his intellectual attainments and to the extent of the Horizon open before him" Cardinal Pie of Poitiers
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« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2009, 05:14:PM » |
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Well, my family did the whole Santa Claus thing, and I learned the truth the year that I was in second grade. The third grade bully told me that there was no Santa Claus, and I went home and told my dad. Then HE told me that there was no Santa Claus. I thought that he and the third grade bully were in cahoots.
Anyhow, it had no effect whatsoever on my faith, nor, as far as I can tell, on the faith of any of my five siblings.
I'm inclined to agree with Walty about the joys of childhood.
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Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2009, 06:03:PM » |
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And as far as Christmas songs go...
I don't want to hear
Rudolph the red nosed reindeer
Frosty the Snowman
White Christmas
Blue Christmas
Silver Bells
Let it Snow
or any other secularized, crappy, holiday (not holy day) music!
What's wrong with snow? God made it, and if you're born in the Northern Hemisphere chances are you're going to have a white Christmas on occasion. It makes the whole earth silvery and sparkly and enchanting. Easter falls in the spring and the new flowers brighten the whole earth with colors. How are these things NOT related to Christ? Read the Diary of a Soul by St. Therese of Lisieux.... Or anything from St. Francis of Assisi. Again, I just can't separate Christ from the wonder and joy of everyday things. But of course you don't have to sing those songs if you don't want to. - Lisa Don't forget, the reason St Francis of Assisi organised the first nativity scene (complete with live farm animals) was because he felt that, even back then, Christ Mass was beginning to lose it's meaning on people. As a Franciscan, I honestly don't think that St Francis would have endorsed secular Christ Mass carols. These carols are not related to Christ insofar as they are a manifestation of an active attempt by certain circles to secularise the meaning of Christ Mass, and destroy any religious connotations that the celebration of this holy festival may hold. |
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal- who allow scandals to destroy faith- are guilty of spiritual suicide. -- St. Francis de Sales
Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2009, 06:16:PM » |
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It's like I said earlier, our kids have "St Nicholas" come and leave gifts, but they also learn about St Nicholas himself. they have learnt to identify the modern "Santa Claus" as St Nicholas, and its quite cute to hear them correcting anybody who calls him the "wrong name" lol.
So in this way, it incorporates the "Santa Claus" phenomenon into our chidrens' Christ Mass experience. It would be difficult to outright exclude, anyway, as our kids are the only Catholics in their extended families.
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Unless the Lord God had been present in your spirits, all of you would not have uttered the same cry. For, although the cry issued from numerous mouths, yet the origin of the cry was one. Therefore I say to you that God, who implanted this in your breasts, has drawn it forth from you. Let this then be your war-cry in combats, because this word is given to you by God. When an armed attack is made upon the enemy, let this one cry be raised by all the soldiers of God: It is the will of God! It is the will of God! Genesis XXVII:iii-iv Take thy arms, thy quiver and bow, and go abroad:and when thou hast taken something by hunting, make me savoury meat thereof, as thou knowest I like, and bring it, that I may eat: and my soul may bless thee before I die. Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes! "You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. " - St Athanasius BEST ART INSTRUCTIONAL EVER: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail58.html˙sǝɔıʇslos ʎolǝʌɐs puɐ ɹǝɥʇɐǝʍ ǝƃuɐɹo ǝɥʇ ʇnoqɐ llɐ s,ʇı *Pray for the canonisation of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre* |
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« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2009, 06:25:PM » |
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And as far as Christmas songs go...
I don't want to hear
Rudolph the red nosed reindeer
Frosty the Snowman
White Christmas
Blue Christmas
Silver Bells
Let it Snow
or any other secularized, crappy, holiday (not holy day) music!
What's wrong with snow? God made it, and if you're born in the Northern Hemisphere chances are you're going to have a white Christmas on occasion. It makes the whole earth silvery and sparkly and enchanting. Easter falls in the spring and the new flowers brighten the whole earth with colors. How are these things NOT related to Christ? Read the Diary of a Soul by St. Therese of Lisieux.... Or anything from St. Francis of Assisi. Again, I just can't separate Christ from the wonder and joy of everyday things. But of course you don't have to sing those songs if you don't want to. - Lisa Lisa, if you haven't noticed, there is an organized effort to eliminate Christ from Christmas as well as from every other aspect of life. Do you think that the people who wrote those songs are Catholics? Do you think by writing them were trying to propogate Catholic principals? Is it not possible that there is a more sinister agenda behind them? I don't know how many Catholic churches have closed in your neighborhood recently but obviously mass attendance, conversions, vocations are down. Not saying this is the only factor but the subverssion of Christmas and other holidays is definetly part of the problem facing Catholics. |
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