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« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2009, 07:01:PM » |
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These carols are not related to Christ insofar as they are a manifestation of an active attempt by certain circles to secularise the meaning of Christ Mass, and destroy any religious connotations that the celebration of this holy festival may hold.
White Christmas (which I really like) was done by Bing Crosby who wa a devout Catholic I doubt he was trying to secularize Christmas. |
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« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2009, 07:07:PM » |
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Threads like this surprise me. I just don't understand how anybody could think that the Santa myth (or any other) could threaten a properly catechized child's faith? There's absolutely no comparison. I find it bizarre.
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« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2009, 07:35:PM » |
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I wonder what J.R.R. Tolkien, whose children received handwritten and illustrated letters every year from Father Christmas (Santa Claus), would think of this thread?  I'm sorry, you guys can join the fundies in the pious reduction of Our Lord's birthday to an anemic prayer service -- for myself, Christmas will always be exuberantly pagan (I thought Catholicism was about having both?); I would fatten my children with dreams of sugarplum and magic because only an imagination nourished on fairytale and Yule will ever come to know the true meaning of the Winter Solstice. |
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« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2009, 07:37:PM » |
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I wonder what J.R.R. Tolkien, whose children received handwritten and illustrated letters every year from Father Christmas (Santa Claus), would think of this thread? I'm sorry, you guys can join the fundies in the pious reduction of Our Lord's birthday to an anemic prayer service -- for myself, Christmas will always be exuberantly pagan (I thought Catholicism was about having both?); I would fatten my children with dreams of sugarplum and magic because only an imagination nourished on fairytale and Yule will ever come to know the true meaning of the Winter Solstice. Amen, good sir. Amen. |
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« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2009, 07:57:PM » |
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Lisa, if you haven't noticed, there is an organized effort to eliminate Christ from Christmas as well as from every other aspect of life.
Do you think that the people who wrote those songs are Catholics?
Do you think by writing them were trying to propogate Catholic principals?
Is it not possible that there is a more sinister agenda behind them?  Could it be...................... SANTA?!  sorry, the temptation was irresistible. |
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« Reply #66 on: November 20, 2009, 08:02:PM » |
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Before my wife and I had kids we swore that we wouldn't do the Santa Claus thing, but after the kids started coming, we just couldn't help ourselves. It's just so much fun! We still make Jesus the center of attention, but I don't think that believing in Santa Claus is harmful.
When they get older we'll explain that the real Santa Claus was St. Nick, and how we, as parents, carry on St. Nick's tradition of giving and sharing with them and others. And then, when they grow up and have their own families, they get to pass the tradition on to their own kids.
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« Reply #68 on: November 20, 2009, 11:49:PM » |
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Before my wife and I had kids we swore that we wouldn't do the Santa Claus thing, but after the kids started coming, we just couldn't help ourselves. It's just so much fun! We still make Jesus the center of attention, but I don't think that believing in Santa Claus is harmful.
When they get older we'll explain that the real Santa Claus was St. Nick, and how we, as parents, carry on St. Nick's tradition of giving and sharing with them and others. And then, when they grow up and have their own families, they get to pass the tradition on to their own kids.
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« Reply #69 on: November 21, 2009, 06:25:AM » |
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These carols are not related to Christ insofar as they are a manifestation of an active attempt by certain circles to secularise the meaning of Christ Mass, and destroy any religious connotations that the celebration of this holy festival may hold.
White Christmas (which I really like) was done by Bing Crosby who wa a devout Catholic I doubt he was trying to secularize Christmas. Albeit written by Irving Berlin, who was Jewish. (but I love Irving Berlin's music, don't get me wrong!) |
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« Reply #70 on: November 21, 2009, 06:28:AM » |
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Regarding all the "Holiday" music blasted on pop stations starting on Thanksgiving....we try not to listen to it until we can't help it any more...but did you ever stop to think that at least some of this music is religious (about 20%, and the amount increases the closer you get to Christmas) and at least the holiday stuff is better than the pagan rot they play all day long during the year? And the fact that at least some of the music is religious must really burn up the lib pagans.
Yes, I'd rather here Bob Seger singing the Little Drummer Boy, as horrible as it sounds, than hear that other junk they usually play.
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« Reply #71 on: November 21, 2009, 06:40:AM » |
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Santa Claus is harmless. If you have kids, you know that you really get 5, maybe 6, years when they believe. Up 'till around 3, they don't really get it, and then by 8, 9, 10 at the latest, Santa is over & done with. You're not endangering your kids' souls with Santa unless you have a desperately neglected and weak spiritual life at home, and if you're hanging out on a traditionalist Catholic forum, I'll go out on a limb and guess that that is not a problem for you.
Now we never even bothered with the Tooth Fairy & the Easter Bunny, but, c'mon, Santa? - you can't skip that.
Back in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, our neighbors were Bible-thumpin' Southern Baptists.....ain't no Santa in that Bible, ya know....drilled it into their kids' heads that it was all Catholic and pagan phony-baloney. How joyless is that?
Now, as to the other topic that popped up - Christmas music - sacred only, UNLESS sung by 1) Frank, 2) Dean, or 3) Bing. Anything else is an abomination before the Lord.
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« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2009, 06:46:AM » |
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Well, weak people are the ones we should be protecting from sophisticated advertising / cultural warfare.
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« Reply #73 on: November 21, 2009, 09:11:AM » |
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No, we should be teaching weak people how to build strong faith. Properly catechized Catholics have nothing to fear from advertising.
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« Reply #74 on: November 21, 2009, 09:49:AM » |
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I love Christmas music, whether it's sacred, Ella Fitzgerald or Bing Crosby or Nat King Cole or the Beach Boys or Charlie Brown or the Chipmunks. I think American folk music, including songs like Rudolph and Frosty and Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas, are an important part of our identity (remember, it is a Catholic virtue to love one's country). I recommend the following album, offered by Our Lady of Victory School: http://www.olvs.org/shopcart/InvDtl.aspx?InvId=10451&GrdId=&InvCatId= Songs For God & Country CD Take a musical pilgrimage through the Church's Liturgical Year beginning with O Come Divine Messiah (for Advent), continuing through the Christmas Season, Epiphany, Easter and Pentecost - ending with hymns for Our Lady, Benediction, the Mass and the Saints. Then, by way of folk songs, travel through several lands and an America gone by, 40 songs in all, this collection is appropriate for all ages. VOLUME 1: (Advent) O Come Divine Messiah, O Come O Come Emmanuel, (Christmas) O Come all ye Faithful, O Little Town of Bethlehem, Hark, the Herald Angels Sing, The First Noel, Silent Night, Holy Night, Jolly Old Saint Nicholas, Bring a Torch Jeanette Isabella, Away in a Manger, O Come Little Children, (Epiphany) We Three Kings of Orient Are, (Lent/Easter/Pentecost) O Sacred Head Surrounded, Jesus Christ is Risen Today, Come Holy Ghost Creator Come, (Mass/Benediction) Holy God We Praise Thy Name, O Salutaris Hostia, Adoro te Devote, Tantum Ergo, Kyriale VIII, Missa de Angelis, (Mother of God) Ave Maria, Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above, Hail Queen of Heaven The Ocean Star, O Sanctissima, (Saints) Holy Pius the Tenth, (Patriotism) America the Beautiful, Dixie, The Star Spangled Banner, (Folk Songs) All Through the Night, Are You Sleeping?, Good Night Sweet Jesus, Auld Lang Syne, Oh Shenandoah, Red River Valley, My Grandfathers Clock, Early One Morning, The Streets of Laredo, Loch Lomond, My Old Kentucky Home, Home on the Range.$12.00 some of the songs toward the end are a little too slow paced for my liking, but overall it is a fantastic cd. |
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