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Author Topic: USCCB Now Rolls out "Conservatives" to Speak in its Defense: USCCB delenda est!  (Read 546 times)
Augstine Baker

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« on: February 08, 2010, 11:55:AM »

Fr. Frank Pavone, Pro-life empire builder and establishment figure is eager and willing to step in on behalf of the beleaguered USCCB and their socialist engineering projects at the CCHD which use the monies they received to support aims and organizations hostile to the Catholic Faith. His comments are here, and line up squarely in defense of the homosexuality, anti-Catholic and abortion promoting John Carr. Is there any reason why the establishment Fr. Pavone is sticking his neck out for this man, despite the hand we see in the anti-Catholic cookie jar? Could it be that Fr. Frank Pavone can't really be trusted as credible? The USCCB has already attacked the attackers of Carr and their CCHD, calling its detractors "calumniators" while not giving a single shred of coherent argumentaition as to why it's the case. Actually, this is an effective tool to defuse legitimate criticism.

Like Notre Dame University, a Catholic name doesn't make it Catholic, and even a well-known allegedly pro-life Catholic Priest might not be trusted. Don't watch what these people say but watch what they DO. John Carr, despite telling Frank Pavone that he's solidly pro-life, hasn't been very good at actually defending innocent life, in fact, he's done the opposite as America's Independent Party page describes:

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- Why over 50 CCHD supported organizations are in some capacity engaged in pro-abortion or pro-homosexual causes

- Why Tom Chabolla, associate director of programs for CCHD, replaced Carr on the CCC board while the CCC was heavily engaged in pro-abortion, pro-homosexual advocacy

- Why 31 CCHD grantees are "partners" with the CCC

- Why Ralph McCloud, CCHD executive director, spoke at a CCC-sponsored rally for Barack Obama. McCloud, referred to Obama’s election as, “a great day,” and proclaimed “very soon we will see a new Jerusalem”

- Why Carr’s USCCB bio omits his involvement with the CCC, while near word-for-word copies of his bio for outside activities include it

- If Carr didn’t know the direction the CCC was headed while chairing the board of the organization, how will he address, as the head of the CCHD, the ongoing problem of funding for radical pro-abortion, pro-homosexual groups


Strangely, even American Papist, although he feels the CCHD should be sidelined, balks at RealCatholicTV.com's description of the situation as "the smoke of Satan" quoting Paul VI's haunting statement about the corruption in the Church.

He still wants to drive a middle-line himself and wants to see the CCHD salvaged as does Reform the CCHD.

Nienstedt and Chaput defend CCHD, here

And even USCCB and +Mahony shill, Bill Donahue, wants to see this thing blow over.

The important thing to remember is that whoever steps up in defense of this socialist engineering garbage is himself either an unwitting tool of anti-Catholic agendas or an active enemy of the Catholic Faith and that includes, as we have seen time and time again, Bishops, priests, "trusted laypersons" and women in pantsuits who claim they're doing it for the kids.

Next week, if not in the coming Easter season, you have been asked by your Bishop to give generously (about 3% of your income) to the Catholic Appeal. We suggest that you take this money and give it to more worthy causes, like people you know and trust. None of your money goes specifically to CCHD, but your Diocese in many cases, with 6 or 7 exceptions nationwide has a CCHD office. We suggest you call your Archdiocese and find out how your Diocese spends the Catholic appeal and whether or not these programs are consistent with Catholic teaching, or hostile to it. In many cases, your Diocese may support a College which invariably as it is with Catholic education, is not consistent with Church teaching. Your charity should be prudent as much as it is given with love and compassion. As it is, if you give to your parish, or your Diocesan appeal, you are likely givingmoney to support anti-Catholic hate groups like ACORN or Planned Parenthood. Be a wise steward of your money.

Also, write or call your Bishop and tell them why you aren't giving any money to support abortion, homosexuality and anti-Catholic hate. 

 http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2010/02/usccb-desperate-in-face-of-diocesan.html
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 03:04:PM »

Can I ask just one question, for openers, where do you derrive that the Catholic League is a shill for +Mahoney?
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Augstine Baker

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 03:37:PM »

Can I ask just one question, for openers, where do you derrive that the Catholic League is a shill for +Mahoney?

is the link broken to the article on Donahue, or something?
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StrictCatholicGirl

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 04:02:PM »

I'm glad Fr. Pavone is saying something. I don't like the CCHD either, but LAYMAN Michael Voris seems like a self-appointed Grand Inquisitor.. IMO. I get at least three emails a day about "another USCCB scandal exposed!" from Real Catholic TV. This "guilt by association" tactic is getting old. Blow over already!

Quote from: Fr. Frank Pavone
I do not doubt that the folks at RCTV are well-intentioned. Similarly, I do not doubt that there are some problems with CCHD and the USCCB. I simply think the RCTV coverage of this scandal has been too sensationalistic, and that their reporting should not be relied upon without independent verification.

http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/02/06/fr-frank-pavone-defends-john-carr-of-the-usccb/

Amen, Father Pavone.
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Augstine Baker

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 04:20:PM »

I'm glad Fr. Pavone is saying something. I don't like the CCHD either, but LAYMAN Michael Voris seems like a self-appointed Grand Inquisitor.. IMO. I get at least three emails a day about "another USCCB scandal exposed!" from Real Catholic TV. This "guilt by association" tactic is getting old. Blow over already!

Quote from: Fr. Frank Pavone
I do not doubt that the folks at RCTV are well-intentioned. Similarly, I do not doubt that there are some problems with CCHD and the USCCB. I simply think the RCTV coverage of this scandal has been too sensationalistic, and that their reporting should not be relied upon without independent verification.

http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/02/06/fr-frank-pavone-defends-john-carr-of-the-usccb/

Amen, Father Pavone.

Umm, well, what exactly is he talking about, and Fr. Pavone's defense of  John Carr is a bit ridiculous.  He made a phone call to John Carr and Carr assured him that he was "Pro-Life" whatever that means.


Never mnind what Carr says, it's what he does, and he's been promoting Homosexuality and Abortion.  Apparently Fr Pavone is eager to OK him, but we shouldn't be. 

As long as the average people keep giving these parasites money, they're going to keep on using the Catholic Church's good name to promote their Marxist causes.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 04:59:PM »

CCHD Scandal Picks Up Steam as Bishops React

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/feb/10020510.html

By Patrick B. Craine and John-Henry Westen

"WASHINGTON, D.C., February 5, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Various offices of the U.S. Bishops Conference (USCCB) have reacted to the two new reports issued by the Reform CCHD Now coalition (RCN) this week, but the reactions, claims RCN, have not addressed the core message of their reports...."

 
"...Michael Hichborn of RCN member ALL told LSN today that, “We never once alleged that John Carr promotes abortion and homosexual agendas, and all of our public commentary verifies this.” Hitchborn added, “In fact, in the initial report that I wrote, I specifically stated that we are not questioning the pro-life convictions of John Carr or anyone he works with....”

"...Gasper told LSN on Thursday that he “finds it telling that instead of addressing the well documented evidence brought forward in both the ALL and BVM reports, McCloud and Carr seem fixated on characterizing our efforts as a personal attack on Carr's pro-life beliefs.  Neither the ALL or BVM reports question Carr on his pro-life convictions.”

"Gasper said that he was “disappointed” that the “salient points” in his report have not yet been addressed yet. “Perhaps,” he said, “both Carr and McCloud's time and energy would be better spent screening some of the organizations the USCCB cooperates with rather than responding to accusations that were never made in the first place...”

"...Responding to Bishop Murphy's charge of 'calumny', Hichborn reiterated that they have not accused Carr of being pro-abortion or pro-homosexual.  “So unless the bishops can find fault in our report about the Center for Community Change or the funding practices of the CCHD, they would do well to avoid such hyperbole,” he stated..."
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 05:53:PM »



you certainly do promote your blog… have you ever posted a thread here which did NOT link to "eponymousflower"?


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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 06:54:PM »

I dug into the link to Donahue "shilling" for +Mahoney, it's a defense of the USCCB's involvement in the healthcare debate. I also love it when someone quotes another article written by themselves. Kinda reminds me of the ole Bob Dole syndrome.

The rest of the vitriol isn't worth the antacid to deal with. Must be what they're teaching as intelligent thought these days.
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Sometimes the Internet reminds me of being in a chicken coop with an infinite number of Chicken Littles at any given millisecond dodging pieces of their falling skies.

There is a subtle difference between "invincible ignorance" and intolerably stupid.
Augstine Baker

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 10:26:PM »

I dug into the link to Donahue "shilling" for +Mahoney, it's a defense of the USCCB's involvement in the healthcare debate. I also love it when someone quotes another article written by themselves. Kinda reminds me of the ole Bob Dole syndrome.

The rest of the vitriol isn't worth the antacid to deal with. Must be what they're teaching as intelligent thought these days.

Perhaps you're content with the USCCB promoting Sodomy and Abortion.  Kind of defeats the purpose of the Catholic Church.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2010, 11:12:PM »

I dug into the link to Donahue "shilling" for +Mahoney, it's a defense of the USCCB's involvement in the healthcare debate. I also love it when someone quotes another article written by themselves. Kinda reminds me of the ole Bob Dole syndrome.

The rest of the vitriol isn't worth the antacid to deal with. Must be what they're teaching as intelligent thought these days.

Perhaps you're content with the USCCB promoting Sodomy and Abortion.  Kind of defeats the purpose of the Catholic Church.
The quote was about Healthcare not Sodomy and Abortion. There wasn't any defense by the Catholic League of the CCHD which has clearly been duped into supporting sodomy and abortion.
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Live your life in such a way that every morning when your feet hit the floor...Satan shudders and says..."Oh No...he's AWAKE!"

Sometimes the Internet reminds me of being in a chicken coop with an infinite number of Chicken Littles at any given millisecond dodging pieces of their falling skies.

There is a subtle difference between "invincible ignorance" and intolerably stupid.
Magdalene

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2010, 06:21:AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPIGFxi6lo4

As spokespeople for the corrupt USCCB continue to point fingers at groups I have great respect for such as Human Life International and the American Life League, I find them more and more disgusting.

And their association with pro-sodomite and pro-abortion groups, under a myriad of names and changing names is a continuing scandal.  Fr. Pavone can say that one individual is not himself seen as a pro-abort but that is as far as the defending can go. What about pro-homosexual? That also is an anti-life stance.
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glgas

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2010, 06:54:AM »

I am always amazed on your ability to take over the future task of Jesus Christ: judge the living and the dead.

We shall make judgment on principles, but never on individuals or groups.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2010, 08:43:AM »

glgas, why are you in a traditional Catholic forum when all I have ever seen you do is defend the NO establishment. If you love the NO religion that's great, then go to one of the many NO forums where people would be accepting of your love affair with the NO Church.

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Magdalene

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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2010, 09:30:AM »

I am always amazed on your ability to take over the future task of Jesus Christ: judge the living and the dead.

We shall make judgment on principles, but never on individuals or groups.

Well, you  know, we cannot judge hearts because we cannot know what is in them but we certainly CAN judge actions and we certainly can 'judge' groups that send donated monies to evil efforts such as the pro-sodomite and pro-abortion groups. And we are responsible if we only stay silent,with our heads in the sand, and allow evil to proliferate without calling it what it is.  Are we not confirmed?  Did Jesus just say to tolerate sin in our midst?
No, we are called to discern and we must 'judge' every day between things that are right, wrong, or the lesser of goods.  There is a very false compassion and false prudence and even a cowardice that hides behind the 'do not judge' moniker that will not call a spade a spade.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2010, 10:43:AM »

I am always amazed on your ability to take over the future task of Jesus Christ: judge the living and the dead.

We shall make judgment on principles, but never on individuals or groups.

The Disorient Express strikes again.

It's safe to say that most people here are amazed that you continue to parrot the same line over and over again, when it's been demonstrated to you an equal amount of times that we are allowed to judge the actions of individuals and groups. We're not allowed to judge souls.

Go spread this touchy-feely bilge elsewhere.
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