Iuvenalis
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« on: February 08, 2010, 11:51:PM » |
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Anyone seen this?
Your thoughts/reviews?
(It's on Hulu if you've got an hour and a half of idle curiosity)
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"But the naturalists go much further; for, having, in the highest things, entered upon a wholly erroneous course, they are carried headlong to extremes, either by reason of the weakness of human nature, or because God inflicts upon them the just punishment of their pride. Hence it happens that they no longer consider as certain and permanent those things which are fully understood by the natural light of reason..." Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus  |
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 04:54:AM » |
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I haven't heard anything about it, but then again, isn't that obvious from his previous movies?
Anyway, anybody see "American Carol?" It's a spoof of Michael Moore with inspiration of Christmas Carol thrown in.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2010, 04:35:PM » |
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Anyone seen this?
Your thoughts/reviews?
(It's on Hulu if you've got an hour and a half of idle curiosity)
It's very amatuer. If not for the big neocon names interviewed it would not have been releasable. |
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Iuvenalis
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2010, 09:17:PM » |
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Anyone seen this?
Your thoughts/reviews?
(It's on Hulu if you've got an hour and a half of idle curiosity)
It's very amatuer. If not for the big neocon names interviewed it would not have been releasable. Definitely my impression. It seemed his arguments were, well pat, not really 'arguments.' He points out that MIchael Moore plays loose with the facts, but I don't see his case that America is, by default, some sort of utopia either... I also thought he appealed to emotion a lot (which is annoying, especially while he claims to not condescend to his viewers as Michael Moore does). I thought it a bit odd that he "spent a year and a half and every penny he had" to make a movie, that he ostensibly made because of the birth of his daughter. How exactly is spending all your money on a vanity and taking a year and a half traveling leaving your infant daughter behind, model parenting?? |
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"But the naturalists go much further; for, having, in the highest things, entered upon a wholly erroneous course, they are carried headlong to extremes, either by reason of the weakness of human nature, or because God inflicts upon them the just punishment of their pride. Hence it happens that they no longer consider as certain and permanent those things which are fully understood by the natural light of reason..." Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus |
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 02:55:PM » |
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Anyone seen this?
Your thoughts/reviews?
(It's on Hulu if you've got an hour and a half of idle curiosity)
It's very amatuer. If not for the big neocon names interviewed it would not have been releasable. Definitely my impression. It seemed his arguments were, well pat, not really 'arguments.' He points out that MIchael Moore plays loose with the facts, but I don't see his case that America is, by default, some sort of utopia either... I also thought he appealed to emotion a lot (which is annoying, especially while he claims to not condescend to his viewers as Michael Moore does). I thought it a bit odd that he "spent a year and a half and every penny he had" to make a movie, that he ostensibly made because of the birth of his daughter. How exactly is spending all your money on a vanity and taking a year and a half traveling leaving your infant daughter behind, model parenting?? Good points. It was obvious that he was out of his element and not experienced enough to tackle this subject. The producer seems to be the brains behind the production and not Michael Wilson. Michael Moore needs a good skewering but neocon types can't pull it off because they themselves are just as slippery. |
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Iuvenalis
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 03:09:PM » |
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Good points. It was obvious that he was out of his element and not experienced enough to tackle this subject. The producer seems to be the brains behind the production and not Michael Wilson. Michael Moore needs a good skewering but neocon types can't pull it off because they themselves are just as slippery.
Y'know, I'm not so sure on this point. I mean, Michael Moore doesn't exactly represent himself as anything but what he is. I mean, I've read at least one of his books where he actually said he's a socialist. He repeatedly condemns our version of capitalism, etc. I don't think he actually misrepresents himself. He has published that's he's a socialist (at least once that I know of). The GOP of today, especially congress and punditry are total lemon socialists, whereby they want to socialize risk but privatize the profits. They represent this as 'free market capitalism' |
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"But the naturalists go much further; for, having, in the highest things, entered upon a wholly erroneous course, they are carried headlong to extremes, either by reason of the weakness of human nature, or because God inflicts upon them the just punishment of their pride. Hence it happens that they no longer consider as certain and permanent those things which are fully understood by the natural light of reason..." Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus |
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 06:37:PM » |
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Good points. It was obvious that he was out of his element and not experienced enough to tackle this subject. The producer seems to be the brains behind the production and not Michael Wilson. Michael Moore needs a good skewering but neocon types can't pull it off because they themselves are just as slippery.
Y'know, I'm not so sure on this point. I mean, Michael Moore doesn't exactly represent himself as anything but what he is. I mean, I've read at least one of his books where he actually said he's a socialist. He repeatedly condemns our version of capitalism, etc. I don't think he actually misrepresents himself. He has published that's he's a socialist (at least once that I know of). The GOP of today, especially congress and punditry are total lemon socialists, whereby they want to socialize risk but privatize the profits. They represent this as 'free market capitalism' I don't know if Michael Moore needs to be skewered for his documentary techniques (which I'm not that familiar with since I've only seen Roger and Me). His image as the indefatigable maverick who hunts down corruption in between bites of Big Macs is just posturing. He doesn't tackle any dangerous issues. He's a darling of the left. That says about everything. |
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2010, 10:07:AM » |
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I don't know if Michael Moore needs to be skewered for his documentary techniques (which I'm not that familiar with since I've only seen Roger and Me). His image as the indefatigable maverick who hunts down corruption in between bites of Big Macs is just posturing. He doesn't tackle any dangerous issues. He's a darling of the left. That says about everything. Unfortunately, he readily admits that he can no longer tell Bush from Obama by the way they govern and have aided the common man. I may begrudgingly have to give him credit for some degree of honesty - he's doing better than MSNBC. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2010, 10:52:AM » |
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I have seen "American Carol" and it was hilarious. I liked it. I also like Celsius 41.11. I got it on video but I don't know if it's available online. It's a spoof on Fahrenheit 9/11. Actually, it exposes the facts among Moore-ons lies. Here is a trailer... |
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2010, 10:53:AM » |
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I've never heard of Celsius 41.11.
You said it's on video? Would any of the main video rental stores or Netflix have it?
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2010, 12:21:PM » |
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