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Author Topic: Liberated 'religious' sisters say they are like 'battered wives'  (Read 532 times)
Magdalene

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« on: July 27, 2010, 08:37:AM »

The National "Catholic" distorter (reporter), that bastion  of heretical liberalism, has a whining editorial about the LCWR who in their polyester pants are claiming not to get the recognition and power they desire.  The damage to the faith done by some of these women is incalcuble.



Full article found at:  http://ncronline.org/news/women-religious/speak-our-women-religious?nocache=1#comment-1344 45

Speak up for our women religious

Jul. 26, 2010
An NCR Editorial

U.S. women religious, whose leaders meet in Dallas next month, find themselves in a terrible position. On one hand, they can defend their approach to religious life. Through decades of prayer and work together, they have discerned that approach, articulated in their Vatican-approved charters, as God's call. The process has drawn them deeply into social apostolates through which they have become a powerful representation of Catholic life throughout U.S. culture and the wider world.

On the other hand, they can work quietly in attempting to navigate the institutional shoals, placating those among the hierarchy who believe that a 19th-century model of religious life, shuttered up and held in place by an unthinking acquiescence to a male hierarchy — mistakenly referred to by some as obedience — is the salvation of religious life. The option holds the possibility of avoiding a public confrontation and the unpleasant consequences of such a standoff. However, it also holds the likely possibility that religious life in the United States will be re-engineered in secret by the men in the Vatican. It holds the prospect that the soul of a project rooted in and encouraged by the Second Vatican Council would be hollowed out.
The social sciences have a term for the situation of women who feel compelled to be compliant with the men who are bent on demeaning and humiliating them: They call it battered wife syndrome.  So much is at stake in the decisions the Leadership Conference of Women Religious will take about how to proceed because the very integrity of the organization has been called into question with a Vatican-initiated "doctrinal assessment" of its activities.

The doctrinal investigation of the Leadership Conference, which represents 95 percent of women's orders in the United States, was initiated by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. As much as it is, in itself, an affront to the sisters in the United States, it is all the more insulting because the congregation is headed by an American, Cardinal William Levada….In that context, the investigation is a shameful betrayal of trust.
The doctrinal congregation's investigation is only part of the nuisance distracting U.S. women religious today. They are also contending with another investigation — said to be, of course, “for their own good” — conducted by the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, headed by Cardinal Franc Rodé. The benignly titled "apostolic visitation" is by any other name an invasive probe of how the sisters live and whether they conform to some unspecified measure of what religious life should be. At best, it's a setup. Rodé has several times revealed his conclusions about religious life in the United States, and they are hardly appreciative of what the sisters have done.

Rodé recites the tired shibboleths of a minority who see the future in the enthusiasm of a few small conservative orders that have gone back to habits and regimented community life. That approach is not to be dismissed, but it must also be noted that it has limited appeal. The numbers, by comparison to the alternative, are miniscule. The conservative model should be able to coexist with newer forms of community that involve different levels of membership and a greater role for lay associates. Imagining that the future of religious life resides primarily in a re-enactment of the past is similar to dealing with the priest shortage by insisting on a celibate all-male clergy even if it means raiding other priest-short countries to maintain the impression that all is well.

Underlying all of this, particularly the doctrinal investigation of Leadership Conference, is the basic question: What do bishops hope to achieve?  Before attempting to answer that question, it is necessary to note that the Vatican, in initiating these investigations, is revealing not a crisis in religious life but rather a crisis of the clerical and hierarchical culture.

It is a crisis most graphically depicted in the scandalous behavior of the hierarchy worldwide in its handling of the clergy sex abuse crisis in which bishops systematically and repeatedly chose the preservation of their culture over the lives of children.  In the case of the sisters, what Vatican officials hope to achieve appears to be a forced, public acknowledgement by the sisters that the bishops and cardinals hold all the cards and are the final arbiters of how the women will conduct their lives.

The resultant clash is inevitable. The Vatican that repeatedly extols the dignity of women and whose representative at the United Nations recently argued for the equality of women culturally and economically is the same structure that insists that men, and celibate men at that, are the only humans qualified to make major decisions for the Catholic community. The hypocrisy is embarrassingly evident. The theological and exegetic rationales for such duplicity are by now threadbare and rotting.

Framing the current situation in such stark, adversarial terms may seem to some counterproductive, even detrimental to the sisters and their attempts to work with and reason with the Vatican…

It is impossible to have a dialogue when one side is convinced of the outcome before the conversation begins. It is impossible to have a dialogue when one side believes it is vested with all of the wisdom and answers necessary, when it inherently distrusts changes to the status quo, and when it is convinced that leadership is defined as the ability to control.

Women religious cannot pull themselves out of the quicksand into which they have been thrown. Even while tormented by conflicted loyalties, they still seem to hold on to some hope that someone in the hierarchy will actually hear what they are saying. They are aware, too, that any response they make must take into consideration not only their own convictions and integrity but also the needs of the vulnerable in their communities, especially the elderly. If they have any hope of moving beyond the battered wife syndrome, they need strong, public support of the Catholic community they have so diligently served for decades. ..

It is also time for bishops who understand the unseemly politics of the moment, who in private wince at each new insult to religious women, to show some courage…

 If we want religious women to continue to minister while exploring the possibilities of the future with confidence and integrity, they need to know the church is behind them. Ending up with sisters who feel battered will serve no one and will only bring further shame on an already beleaguered community.

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Unum Sint

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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2010, 08:52:AM »

Disgusting to put it mildly.
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StrictCatholicGirl

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2010, 09:53:AM »

At least the reporter doesn't call them "nuns"
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 10:05:AM »

Jesus Christ died for them too.

Some of them are conscientious sinners, some of the are deceived, some of the are honest.

Just like among the traditionalist or any other group.

One thing is sure: the judgment belongs to Jesus Christ, and in some extent to the Apostolic See.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 11:01:AM »

Jesus Christ died for them too.

Some of them are conscientious sinners, some of the are deceived, some of the are honest.

Just like among the traditionalist or any other group.

One thing is sure: the judgment belongs to Jesus Christ, and in some extent to the Apostolic See.

Vengeance belongs to God alone, however as they bring scandal to the Church they must be rebuked.
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dymphna17

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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 02:24:PM »

Real nuns will benefit from this.  These other blathering idiots will hopefully get what they deserve.  Kicked to the curb.  I'm sure all those that they've "helped" will come to their aid.  Tough love will maybe save their souls.  Which is more than can be said about their actions.  Hopefully this will be the start of something truly good.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 02:25:PM »

Are these people stupid?

I can't get my head around this.
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"So you also, when you shall have done all these things that are commanded you, say: We are unprofitable servants; we have done that which we ought to do." (Luke 17:10)

We are "unprofitable servants" because our service is of no profit to our Divine Master; and He justly claims it as our bounden duty. But though we are unprofitable to Him, our serving Him is not unprofitable to us; for He is pleased to give by His grace a value to our good works, which, in consequence of His promise, entitles them to an eternal reward.
glgas

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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 02:40:PM »

Vengeance belongs to God alone, however as they bring scandal to the Church they must be rebuked.

The Apostolic See is making the investigation and will make the decision. You, me or anyone around here are incompetent to do so.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 04:15:PM »

If America had more cloistered nuns like carmelites or benedictines I'm really sure it wouldn't be in this mess. Those nuns pray day and night and they bring down blessings
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 04:53:PM »

Reminds me of one of my least favorite phrases...."recovering Catholic".

It's all pride.  They can't submit themselves to God.

Neither can I - but at least I'm not making a spectacle of myself.    Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 06:10:PM »

Vengeance belongs to God alone, however as they bring scandal to the Church they must be rebuked.

The Apostolic See is making the investigation and will make the decision. You, me or anyone around here are incompetent to do so.

If you are that totally incompetent you really have not been paying attention at all.

How about the one in IL that was caught as an abortion clinic escort?  That is, she had been (for years) escorting women in to get their unborn killed.  Do you have any opinion on that one?
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 06:27:PM »

Jesus Christ died for them too.

Some of them are conscientious sinners, some of the are deceived, some of the are honest.

Just like among the traditionalist or any other group.

One thing is sure: the judgment belongs to Jesus Christ, and in some extent to the Apostolic See.

so judgements on abortion, murder and homosexuality belong completely to God and to the Church alone...I guess we Catholics should just sit back and watch these liberal "nuns" in pants destroy the Church in America bit by bit ...

tough love is the answer. Most of them i believe know what they are doing full well
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 06:39:PM »

Power  is an afrodisiac and they want it, sorry girls Jesus choose 12 men as apostles its really as simple as that.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 06:49:PM »

A young girl in the pew, looks at this article, and sees the women in that photo and thinks "this is what I want to be"!

Why do they not get that religious life is one of obedience and poverty for men and women? How many brothers and monks are doing this?
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 07:04:PM »

Are these people stupid?

I can't get my head around this.

They're stupid! Stop trying!
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