Sheesh after that ranting I was awaiting Mr. Shaw to channel El Rushbo with an "I hope he (Pope Francis) fails."
My run-down responses to Mr. Shaw
My fellow Catholics should be suspicious when bastions of anti-Catholicism in the left-wing media are in love with him.
And this is new? name me any faithful practicing
Catholic (bolded to emphasize the point) who is naive enough to be elated the baby-murdering/sodomites are pro-Francis???
Benedict XVI and John Paul II refused to kowtow to the liberal agenda, and so such displays of tenderness were under-covered.
Where was he during the pontificate of Bl. John Paul II?? (and it's Blessed Mr. Shaw, soon to be Saint....or have you just like your liberal peers spend more time in politics than in the Church pews). Bl. John Paul II was one of the most popular pontiffs since Venerable Pope Pius XII. Pope John Paul II was venerated in the media along with Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta. It was the papacy of Pope-Emeritus Benedict XVI were the media was vindictive and mostly absent. The only coverage His Holiness Papa-emeritus received was his past being forced in the Hitler Youth and how he was mean for standing up against gay "mrryige" and contraception. Also Pope Francis did not have to start his papacy amidst a world-wide scandal blown out of proportions. Pope Francis actually had it very easy compared to His Holiness Pope-Emeritus Benedetto XVI. However this does not make His Holiness Pope Francis some kowtower to a liberal agenda. Just because he didn't assume the seat in the same way Benedict did and just because he's sharing some favorable views among the media just like Blessed John Paul II, does not make Pope Francis a liberal. Perhaps Mr. Shaw needs to get his Papal information from L'Osservatore Romano as opposed to the Pravda-esque news media in the US.
But Francis is beating a retreat for the Catholic Church, and making sure its controversial doctrines are whispered, not yelled – no wonder the New York Times is in love.
Just like President Obama loved apologizing for America, Pope Francis likes to apologize for the Catholic Church, thinking that the Church is at its best when it is passive and not offending anyone’s sensibilities.
Please enlighten all of us Mr. Shaw, where His Holiness did that? We actually keep a keen eye on these things because we're far more interested and invested in the Holy See as opposed the fading and failing democracy of the vile and degenerate American empire that many conservatives and news outlets like Fox News worship to. We didn't see where His Holiness apologized any more than the last two pontiffs. I remember distinctly Bl. John Paul II apologized for the Crusades (something that shouldn't have been done, but that's irrelevant to the discussion) and with the recent release of Lumen Gentium
, constant speeches in the media, letters to prominent atheists and his recent apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium
.....how on earth is this a retreat of the Catholic Church?
In his interviews with those in the left-wing media he seeks to impress, Francis has said that the Church needs to stop being ‘obsessed’ with abortion and gay marriage, and instead of seeking to convert people, “we need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us.”
Well then he must hate Benedetto too, because even he said the Church is bigger than just social issues...I agree with Popes Francis and Benedict. the Church is about saving souls, NOT getting conservatives elected.
For years, the majority of priests didn't dare cover controversial topics in their homilies in fear of getting angry letters from pick-and-choose Catholics outraged that their pastor dared to say something out of line with the Democratic Party.
I will give him credit, he is right about this.
Francis not only panders to enemies and professional grievance mongers, but also attacks his allies. Just as Obama snubs Britain and Israel, Pope Francis swipes at practicing Catholics.
So not only has he insulted, and severely damaged the work of, pro-life and pro-marriage groups with his comments, he has also gone on the attack, dismissing Catholics who attend the older rites in Latin as ‘ideologizing’ and being guilty of ‘exploitation.’ Apparently “Who am I to judge?” doesn’t apply here
Well I'm a practicing Catholic and I don't feel snubbed. His Holiness is surrounded by enemies who would love nothing more than to have both the Traditional Catholics and the liberals hate and despise him. Also Pope Francis is right when he said:
“If in my life I fail completely to heed others, solely out of a desire to be 'devout' and to perform my 'religious duties', then my relationship with God will also grow arid. It becomes merely 'proper', but loveless.”
WHOOPS! That was His Holiness Pope-Emeritus Papa BenedettoThanks to Pat Archbald at NCRegister for the quote
On world matters, Francis’ statements are embarrassing. About communism, a destructive ideology that slaughtered millions of Catholics, he said:
“Learning about it through a courageous and honest person was helpful. I realized…an aspect of the social, which I then found in the social doctrine of the Church."
Taken a quote from an interview that was neither recorded nor transcribed and is no longer on the Vatican website proves either
a) Mr. Shaw is a journalistic and intellectual fraud
b) just not up-to-date on things Catholic unless Fox News is reporting
Not such kind words for the free market, however. In his recent apostolic exhortation he slammed unfettered capitalism, calling it ‘a new tyranny.’
Funny no such word "unfettered capitalism" was used in EG and on top of it. Papa Francesco was speaking on capitalism that favors the few and springs forth ideologies that favors this market (one could say Austrian economics, but I have a better term "American School of Conservanomics") - The defenders of this "free market" even go against their own idealogues. Even Frederich Hayek concluded that a central bank was 'inescapable' because laissez-faire in the banking system was destabalizing and pro-cylical....I wonder if Mr. Shaw sees Mr. Hayek (one of the most "hands-off" free market capitalist economists) as a Marxist too??
In the document he rejects the free market and calls for governments to overhaul financial systems so they attack inequality. In doing so he shows himself painfully misguided on economics, failing to see that free markets have consistently lifted the poor out of poverty, while socialism merely entrenches them in it, or kills them outright.
This is just completely re-writing what Pope Francis said. Pope Francis said financial experts and political leaders should think of ways to increase the prosperity of the poor along with the rest of the economy when planning economic matters...how on earth is that Socialism
As a Catholic, I do hope Francis’ papacy is a successful one, but from his first months he seems hell-bent on a path to undo the great work of Benedict XVI and John Paul II, and to repeat critical mistakes of the past.
Maybe Mr. Shaw needs to get out of his and the American's overtly simplistic and juvenile two-end spectrum. Not everything that falls out of the Rothbard anarcho-Capitalist Austrian-school of economics equates to full-blown nationalization and Marxism. Perhaps if Mr. Shaw (who claims he's a Catholic) should read Rerum Novarum and discover that Pope Francis is saying nothing new. I think this overall is a good thing what Francis is doing. It's turning that challenge away from liberals and putting it onto "conservatives" how faithful are Conservative-Catholics when the Church starts going after their golden calfs?
Pope Leo XIII was denounced as a 'Socialist' for Rerum Novarum, and so too is Papa Francesco, but this is good because it's re-enforcing my Catholic view and is exposing me that the American-conservative movement is no true friend to Catholicism. They only use us for their anti-abortion and anti-Progressive views...but as soon as we speak out on Contraception and Capitalism, we are denounced as Marxists and extremists.
Believe it or not, as a big conservative and Fox News fan. This is actually driving me away from the right and is forcing me to look up instead of right on the left-right paradigm America and Americans are so in-grained in. America suffers from the heresy and Protestant belief of Americanism and it's clearly evident with the Pope-bashing coming not from as many expect liberals...but from those whom many Catholics thought were our friends and allies: the American Conservative.
Well I'm glad I'm becoming more Roman and less American.