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Author Topic: "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"........is history.  (Read 1679 times)
alaric
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« on: September 24, 2011, 06:47:PM »

And so will be the U.S. military someday.

Sexual deviants have finally scaled the final wall.

What  a disgusting nation of perverts this once great nation has become.  Mad



 
'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' is history
Elisabeth Bumiller, The New York Times, Updated: September 20, 2011 21:06 IST
 


Washington:  Now it can be told: A prominent gay rights advocate who called himself J D Smith is in fact 1st Lt Josh Seefried, a 25-year-old active-duty Air Force officer. At 12:01 am on Tuesday, he dropped the pseudonym, freed from keeping his sexual orientation secret like an estimated tens of thousands of others in the United States military.

"I always had the feeling that I was lying to them and that I couldn't be part of the military family," said Lieutenant Seefried, who helped found an undercover group of 4,000 gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender active-duty service members. "I feel like I can get to know my people again. When I go to a Christmas party, I can actually bring the person I'm in a relationship with. And that's a huge relief."

The 18-year-old "don't ask, don't tell" policy officially ended at midnight and with it the discharges that removed more than 13,000 men and women from the military under the old ban on openly gay troops. To mark the historic change, gay rights groups are planning celebrations across the country while Defense Secretary Leon E Panetta and Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will usher in the new era at a Pentagon news conference.

The other side will be heard, too: Elaine Donnelly, a longtime opponent of allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly in the armed forces, has already said that "as of Tuesday the commander in chief will own the San Francisco military he has created." Two top Republicans on the House Armed Services Committee - the chairman, Representative Howard P. McKeon of California, and Representative Joe Wilson of South Carolina - have asked the Pentagon to delay the new policy, saying commanders in the field are not ready. But the Pentagon has moved on.

No one knows how many gay members of the military will come out on Tuesday, although neither gay rights advocates nor Pentagon officials are expecting big numbers, at least not initially.

"The key point is that it no longer matters," said Doug Wilson, a top Pentagon spokesman. "Our feeling is that the day will proceed like any other day."

General Carter F Ham, who was a co-director of a Pentagon study on repealing "don't ask, don't tell," said last week that he expected the effect to be "pretty inconsequential."

That is not the case for Lieutenant Seefried, an Air Force Academy graduate and a budget analyst at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst in New Jersey, who had to work in the shadows with the Pentagon in an 18-month effort to change the policy.

As Lieutenant Seefried told it in a recent telephone interview, in late 2009 a civilian instructor at a technical training course found out through social networking sites that the lieutenant is gay and began harassing him. Lieutenant Seefried reported the instructor in early 2010, and the instructor responded by outing him. Under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, Lieutenant Seefried was temporarily removed from his job. But around the same time, Robert M. Gates, who was then defense secretary, changed the rules so service members could not be discharged by third-party outings. "That saved my career," Lieutenant Seefried said.

Back in his job, Lieutenant Seefried began building what eventually became OutServe, a group of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender active-duty service members connected by secret Facebook groups and e-mail lists. In April 2010, he spoke for the first time publicly against "don't ask, don't tell" at the State University of New York at Oswego, but under a pseudonym he had hastily created for the occasion - JD, for his initials, Josh David, and Smith because it is his mother's maiden name. He asked the group of about 70 students and administrators at Oswego not to take pictures of him or out him on the Internet. No one did.

"It was a risk I was willing to take," he said. "There were a lot of times I should have been caught last year doing this, but I never was."

When Lieutenant Seefried appeared on television, his face was always in shadow, although he did not disguise his voice. "I thought that was too creepy," he said. "I wanted to appear as human as possible."

Then last summer, something surprising happened - the Pentagon reached out to him. The department was conducting a broad study of the effects of repealing "don't ask, don't tell" but was stumped by how to interview active-duty gay and lesbian service members without having to discharge them under the rules of the policy. Working through a civilian liaison to OutServe, Lieutenant Seefried gave the Pentagon and the RAND Corporation - which was conducting a survey of service members - access to his database.

When the final study was presented to the Senate, many of the quotations read at the hearings were from members of OutServe.

In December, he was invited to the White House when President Obama signed into law the bill repealing "don't ask, don't tell."

"I was there as Josh," he said. "You can't go into these events with a pseudonym." Although other gay rights advocates knew who he really was, the Defense Department never knew - or at least chose not to know.

On Tuesday, the lieutenant will appear at a Capitol Hill news conference with senators who pushed for the repeal. In October comes the publication of a book he edited, "Our Time: Breaking the Silence of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell"' (Penguin Press).

Lieutenant Seefried said he was happy to say goodbye to JD Smith. "There's not a day when you don't think of 'don't ask, don't tell' when you live under this policy," he said. "It consumes your thought process, it consumes your future, because of the fear of getting caught. I never thought I would see the repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell' during my military career."


Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/dont-ask-dont-tell-is-history-135084&cp
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 07:06:PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 07:09:PM »



What have they done to my Marine Corps.... Mad
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 07:11:PM »

HIVAids positive military personnel are not separated from the service on a medical discharge ..... they just can't be deployed outside the US




http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/blarmyhiv.htm
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 07:21:PM »


Gay rights group pushes for more military changes


Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/rights-125271-gay-group.html#ixzz1Yv24BNID



A handful of protesters organized by Get Equal set up near Naval Station Norfolk before dawn with balloons and signs, including one that said "The repeal of DADT is not enough!"
Among other things, protesters want gay marriages recognized at the federal level.

"Gay, lesbian and bisexual service men and women can walk a little taller today and that's a great thing, but there's still so much to do," said Beth Brooker, Get Equal's Virginia leader. "Same sex couples can't live on base together, they don't have medical benefits, they don't have travel allowances, they don't have housing allowances. They don't even have the right to be notified if their partner dies in battle."



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In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 07:28:PM »

Marines Hit the Ground Running in Seeking Recruits at Gay Center......

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/21/us/marine-recruiters-visit-gay-center-in-oklahoma.html?_r=4&hp

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 07:28:PM »

Wouldn't this be bad for the homosexuals?  I mean wouldn't they get picked on and alienated from everyone else?  Huh?
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2011, 07:36:PM »

Wouldn't this be bad for the homosexuals? I mean wouldn't they get picked on and alienated from everyone else?  Huh?
What, and be dishonorably discharged and be charged with a "hate crime"?

You better take a another look on what's going on around you Josue.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2011, 07:37:PM »

Wouldn't this be bad for the homosexuals? I mean wouldn't they get picked on and alienated from everyone else?  Huh?
What, and be dishonorably discharged and be charged with a "hate crime"?

You better take a another look on what's going on around you Josue.

It still happens
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2011, 07:42:PM »

Wouldn't this be bad for the homosexuals? I mean wouldn't they get picked on and alienated from everyone else?  Huh?
What, and be dishonorably discharged and be charged with a "hate crime"?

You better take a another look on what's going on around you Josue.

It still happens
Yea, so doesn't sh*t son..........but your missing the point here.

This is the beginning of the end for the Army of Sodom.
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To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die. There is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time, and betrayal.
--- Alexander Solzhenitsyn


"Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, and right is right even if nobody is doing it."
-St. Augustine Doctor of the Church

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

There is no limit to investigating the truth; until you discover it.
- Cicero
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