Extraecclesiamnullasalus
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2006, 07:23:PM » |
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I sent a letter to the SSPX. i can not wait to here what they say.
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Extraecclesiamnullasalus
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2006, 08:10:PM » |
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since the SSPV is not actually sedevecantist, i could attend, and they would allow me to be confirmed even though im not a sedevecantist?
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2006, 08:13:PM » |
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since the SSPV is not actually sedevecantist, i could attend, and they would allow me to be confirmed even though im not a sedevecantist? It is likely better to ask them. I know little about their policies, but it cannot hurt to just call them and ask. |
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2006, 02:41:AM » |
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The SSPV is indeed de-facto sedevacantist. It leaves the Una Cum questions to the personal conscience of its priests, who most likely celebrate Non Una Cum (that is: Una Cum Apostolica Sede, but not Benedicto or Joanne Paulo), likewise to its parishioners. But one must be reminded, that it is obligatory to attend exclusively a valid Traditional Latin Mass, celebrated by priests ordained in the traditional rite, if you want to receive Holy Communion at SSPV churches. Association with Fr. Cekada, Bp. Dolan, CMRI, Indult Masses, your own novus ordo parish is forbidden, while association with the SSPX is allowed, if not very much supported. |
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„Ja, Ja, wie Gott es will. Gott lohne es Euch. Gott schütze das liebe Vaterland. Für Ihn weiterarbeiten... oh, Du lieber Heiland!” ("Yes, Yes, as God wills it. May God repay it to you. May God protect the dear fatherland. Go on working for him... oh, you dear Savior!") - Clemens August Cardinal von Galen, his last words. |
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2006, 12:33:AM » |
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You should certainly go to the SSPV, even if you don't agree with their views on sedevacantism. The indult is really just a Novus Ordo mass in Latin. You don't know what you might be getting. A doubtful sacrament is not a sacrament. That's like saying the original Tridentine Mass is like the Novus Ordo. Wow that's just strange. Good think I don't believe in history as a true subject anyways because this doesn't really fit in. As sarcastic as that might sound, it's mostly true... Anyways, how in the world can you equate the two? Have you been to both? Yikes! |
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2006, 01:53:AM » |
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That's like saying the original Tridentine Mass is like the Novus Ordo.
The Prefect of the Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments Cardinal Arinze would say something like that. I know he would since I saw an interview by Raymond Arroyo with him on EWTN once where he said that St. Pius V came out with a "Novus Ordo" when he reformed the Mass and canonized it in 1570. |
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2006, 05:45:AM » |
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I don't want to style myself as a racist over here, but Cardinal Arinze is from Nigeria, and certainly did not get good theological and liturgico-historical education there back in Africa etc. (Cardinal Thiandoum, a spiritual son of Archbishop Lefebvre, would however be a good appointment, even if up until his death in 2001 he remained scrupulously afraid about publicly supporting his Monseigneur Marcel Lefebvre.) I heard of a friend of mine, who is very pro-Indult and very anti-SSPX-etc., that the Pontifical Novus Ordo "Latin Mass" by Francis Cardinal Arinze (priest since 1951, bishop since 1965) was the worst he knew. "I now know why I promote the Old Mass, if the Vatican ordinary even does those weird things." As to the choice: see what you think is best. I could very much live with receiving the Holy Confirmation by the Society of St. Pius V, though I would prefer the SSPX of course. The Indult option would seem to me the last option, as some of them indeed are restricted to the 1962 Missal only, without being capable of offering traditional confirmations. |
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„Ja, Ja, wie Gott es will. Gott lohne es Euch. Gott schütze das liebe Vaterland. Für Ihn weiterarbeiten... oh, Du lieber Heiland!” ("Yes, Yes, as God wills it. May God repay it to you. May God protect the dear fatherland. Go on working for him... oh, you dear Savior!") - Clemens August Cardinal von Galen, his last words. |
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2006, 11:02:PM » |
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should i start attending the SSPV? i need to be confirmed and it is one of my options. my other option would be seeing if i could be confirmed in Philidelphia, but im not quite sure if that is possible. Sam Confirmation requires a bishop. The SSPV has no bishops. They do, on the other hand, have at least 4 valid priests. (I know I spelled their names worng, however). They are: Chekada Thaelin Dolin Sanbourn |
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gladius_veritatis
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2006, 11:04:PM » |
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All four of the priests listed are actually no longer part of the SSPV. |
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2006, 11:06:PM » |
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Not only are they not part of the SSPV, but the other thread going on right now has demonstrated that it is established quite without a doubt that the Episcopal orders of Bp. Clarence Kelly are undoubtedly valid. As you may or may not know, Bp. Kelly is the "Bishop of the SSPV," and heads the organization. |
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