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Author Topic: St. Agnes in St. Paul, MN  (Read 818 times)
InquisitorGeneralis
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« on: May 10, 2006, 07:49:PM »

Apparently, St. Agnes in St. Paul, MN is getting different priests:

 

http://www.jimmyakin.org/2006/05/fr_altier_updat.html#comments

 

Does anyone else know anything about this?

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2006, 07:51:PM »

Sounds like Flynn is bent on destroying the only example of a reverent NO mass in America
 
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InquisitorGeneralis
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2006, 08:09:PM »

If they do, however, it will be a lot easier for trads to unambiguously condemn the Novus Ordo.  After this, the neo-Catholics might not have their pet counter example of a reverent Mass in the New Rite to rub in our faces.

 

With all of that said, I really did like St. Agnes when I lived in that area.

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royalcello
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2006, 08:38:PM »

St. John Cantius in Chicago (which also has the TLM) and Assumption Grotto in Detroit also have well-known Latin Novus Ordo masses.

A complete list of indult 1962 and Latin 1970 masses in the US can be found here.

I hope St. Agnes's sacred music program will survive this shake-up.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2006, 04:16:AM »

The fate of Fr. Altier, this is outrageous
 
 

Father George  Welzbacher, pastor of the Church of Saint Agnes, has issued a statement  regarding the unexpected reassignments of both himself and Father Robert Altier.  Sometime in mid-June, Father Welzbacher will be leaving Saint Agnes parish at  his own request and move to an unspecified location. But the biggest surprise is Archbishop Harry Flynn's shocking  decision to remove Father Altier from Saint Agnes and appoint him as assistant chaplain of  a nursing home in an outlying district 30 miles southeast of Saint  Paul-Minneapolis.    

   

     

   

At the age of 45,  Father Altier has served 17 years in the priesthood, 14 of those as Assistant  Pastor at the world-renowned Church of Saint Agnes, and now Archbishop Flynn has  decided it is just and proper to relegate him to a nursing home. This is a  priest who generously spends long hours in the confessional bringing souls back  to God, who has been responsible for guiding numerous young people to offer  their lives in religious vocations, who for 17 years has painstakingly given  instruction through his Fundamentals of Catholicism course to over 150  people each year and brought hundreds of converts into the Catholic Church, who  is renowned for his skills in spiritual direction, who acts as board member and  advisor to several orthodox Catholic organizations, and who up until recently  had been preaching to a  worldwide audience via A Voice in the Desert website and Relevant  Radio broadcasting.    

   

     

   

The Archbishop  stated in a public email on March 20 that he asked Father Altier to cease his  multi-media apostolates because it "might be beneficial to him and to the  parish of St. Agnes." Apparently, he thought Father needed more time to  fulfill his responsibilities at the parish. His Excellency then went on to  invite people to "visit Saint Agnes where Fr. Altier continues to actively  minister"  if they wanted to hear him preach. But now he will reside  at a nursing home. Isn't this a contradiction to what the Archbishop originally  told us in his message of March 20?

   

 

   

The nursing home  in question is Regina Medical Center in Hastings, Minnesota. (You can visit  their website pastoral page at http://www.reginamedical.org/index.asp?pageID=page_39.htm  and the nursing home information can be found at http://www.reginamedical.org/index.asp?pageID=33  ) This nursing home is a modern 61-bed facility which is currently served by a  kindly 75-year-old priest. A chancery official has stated that this present  priest chaplain will continue in his current position at Regina; therefore,  Father Altier will serve as assistant chaplain. In addition, there is already a  religious sister on site who is responsible for ministering to the nursing home  and assisted living residents, and she also will continue in her present  position. As there is only one scheduled Mass each day which will be prayed by the  current chaplain, there are virtually no daily requirements for the assistant chaplain to fulfill besides  praying his own private Mass, providing the  occasional sacraments of Anointing of the Sick and Confession, and infrequent  counseling for residents, patients, or their families. A small hospital is on  the premises, but no major surgeries are done there and no trauma unit exists.  With approximately 10-12 parishes in the archdiocese lacking a resident priest,  it is certainly surprising that a priest of Father Altier's caliber would be  sent to a destination where he will have an overabundance of time on his hands. 

   

 

   

Since March 1,  Catholics worldwide have been asking the following questions: Why did Archbishop  Flynn silence Father Altier? Why did he shut down a Catholic website known for  its fidelity to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church? The first clue came  when Archdiocesan spokesman Dennis McGrath told the Star Tribune, "I  surmise that Father Altier's contrarian position on VIRTUS is the issue."  VIRTUS and its related program Talking About Touching (TAT) are the answers  proposed by the Bishops of the United States to the sex-abuse scandal which  broke out in 2002. Unfortunately, these graphic sex-ed programs are in direct  violation of Vatican teachings on human sexuality and do nothing to stop  predators but instead place the burden of protection on young children  themselves. Archbishop Flynn served as chairperson of the USCCB's Ad Hoc  Committee on Sexual Abuse which developed these programs and he chose to proliferate it throughout his  archdiocese beginning in the 2006-2007 school year, with pilot program testing  to start in the spring of 2006. As the material content of these programs became  more widely known, concern grew over their appropriateness. And because many  aspects of VIRTUS  and TAT are contrary to Church teaching (see sample lessons at http://www.primaryeducators.org/lessons.php  ), Father Altier felt it was his duty to  inform parents in an effort to protect the young children who would have their  innocence irrevocably shattered by such programs. As parents became aware of the  dangers of VIRTUS and TAT, they explored the possibility of using an alternative  program: Formation in Christian Chastity  (FICC) from the Diocese of Harrisburg,  Pennsylvania. (For information, visit http://www.primaryeducators.org/  ) According to a statement made by Father George Welzbacher, pastor of the Church of  Saint Agnes, FICC is the program preferred by Archbishop Flynn himself! (You can  read Fr. Welzbacher's statement at http://www.desertvoice.org/responseoffraltierandfrwelzbacher.htm  )

   

 

   

It is interesting that the Archbishop would choose to  exclusively promote VIRTUS/TAT when he actually prefers FICC. LifeSiteNews and other  Catholic news services have stated that VIRTUS enjoys the support of homosexual  activist groups around the country. (See article http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/apr/06040706.html  ) The program is also endorsed by none other than Planned Parenthood.  Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of the diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska, recently  stated  that it was a well known fact that the members of the National Review  Board  responsible for mandating the use of these sex-ed programs are "ardent  advocates of partial birth abortion, other abortions, human cloning,  and other  moral errors." (See article http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/apr/06040302.html  ) And so it was that at a recent meeting of  approximately 200 local Catholic school principals and religious education  directors on February 10, 2006, the question was asked about "what was  going to be done about local priests that were stirring up the pot about the  chancery's safe-environment initiative." Sister Fran Donnelly, the Saint  Paul-Minneapolis archdiocesan director of the Protection of Children and Youth  Initiative, answered that "[Vicar General] Fr. Kevin McDonough is getting    out a two-by-four."  (You can read her response at http://thewandererpress.com/a3-9-2006.htm  ) As Father Altier has been at the forefront of the efforts to stop the  infiltration of VIRTUS in our archdiocese, it is clear to see that the  two-by-four Sister Donnelly was referring to came to Father Altier on Ash  Wednesday in the form of the Archbishop's request that he take his material off  the internet and stop participating in broadcasts on Relevant Radio.

   

 

   

And now that  Father Altier will be sent to a nursing home, one can see just how cruel this  two-by-four has been, and continues to be. The fact that the Archbishop  delivered his initial request on Ash Wednesday speaks volumes. It made for a very harsh  Lent for Father Altier and all of you worldwide who have come to rely on  Father's sound spiritual instruction on the internet and radio. Yet Our Lord  said that a light shines brighter in the darkness, and so Father's continuing example of  obedience and gentleness during this trial is a beacon for all of  us on how to live the truly Catholic life. He had told us that he "would go  down for the sake of the children" because he truly loves each and every  soul. We thank God for his courage and for any priest who would be willing to do the  same. Bishop Bruskewitz,  Bishop Vasa, and a handful of others are standing firm in refusing to allow  these horrendous sex-ed programs into their dioceses. (To learn about the  scandalous origins of these programs, see http://thewandererpress.com/a11-3-2005.htm   ) Fortunately, the superior  they report to -- Pope Benedict XVI -- is in full unity with Catholic doctrine  and these bishops have maintained their allegiance to the Holy Father without  yielding to pressure from dissident factions within the Church. (Bishop Vasa's  statement is at http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/jul/04072107.html   ) But  for Father Altier, his future is in the immediate hands of Archbishop  Flynn. 

   

 

   

Most regretfully,  we do not see the same obedience from our Archbishop as we are witnessing today  in Father Altier. (For details concerning the Archbishop's conduct go to http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06030602.html  ) The archdiocese continues to sink deeper and deeper into  depravity while the homosexual community is pandered to, and meanwhile we  witness this wrongful action and extreme marginalization committed against a  priest who has been a faithful son of Holy Mother Church. Why should  it be that our own elderly Archbishop is personally thanked by the gay Rainbow  Sash movement for his support of the homosexual agenda within the Church, and a  good, holy, young orthodox priest like Father Altier gets sent to a nursing  home? What a contrast this is! 

   

 

   

We initially suggested that you contact Most Reverend Harry J.  Flynn in a charitable manner to express your concerns about Father Altier's  situation, but now you may want to contact the following Vatican  officials to express your grave distress at the blatant injustice we are seeing unfold  before our eyes -- because, after all,  one wonders what will be next.     

   

   

   

     

                                       
       

His Holiness, Pope        Benedict XVI PP.
        Bishop of Rome
        Apostolic Palace
        Via del Pellegrino
        Citta del Vaticano
        Vatican City State, 00120
        phone: 011.3906.6988.10.22
        email: av@pccs.va
        fax: 011.3906.6988.53.73                

     
       

       His Eminence Dario        Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos
        Prefect
        The Congregation for the Clergy
        Piazza Pio XII 3
        00120 Vatican City State
        phone: 011.3906.69.88.4l.5l
        Fax: 011.3906.69.88.48.45          

       

                 

     
       

 

       

       His Excellency The        Most Reverend Pietro Sambi
        Apostolic Nuncio to the United States
        3339 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
        Washington, D.C. 20008-3687
        phone: 202-333-7l2l
        fax: 202-337-4036          

 
 
 
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