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AdoramusTeChriste
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2006, 10:30:PM »

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Whosoever attacks the Royal Cello also attacks the Royal Rebel. AAAARRGHHHHH!

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Take that!:fish:fish:fish:jabs:Boxers And remember, who attacks the Imperial Cello attacks me! And God agrees with me! Hopping MadRolling PinApplauseApplauseApplause:crucif:

 

Who was that masked man and grammarian par excellenceHuh?

Btw, I agree. RoyalC is indeed a gentleman and a scholar.

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2006, 10:47:PM »

Bless you, dear lady! Tip o' the hatTip o' the hat
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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2006, 03:19:AM »

Wouldn't most Catholics consider themselves works in progress? I know I do!

(I've only found this site since enforced convalescence turned me into a surfer par excellence, it's fab!)

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Marybonita
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2006, 06:55:AM »

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Are you trying to provoke me?

 

The provocation is your attempt to defend the indefensible.

 

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That a holiday has been co-opted by Masons for their own purposes does not render the holiday illegitimate. Unlike our Independence Day (July 4), there is nothing intrinsically Masonic about celebrating Queen Victoria's birthday. In fact, it is those who try to undermine the Canadian monarchy who further the Masonic revolutionary agenda. It is not surprising that some Masons "support" the British monarchy, since it is in the nature of Freemasonry to have a finger in every pie. But ultimately the Masonic agenda is opposed to monarchy, even Protestant monarchies.

 

Here is an excerpt from the Nova Scotia Grand Lodge - York Rite - website:

 

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He (Dr. Johnson) was re-elected in 1887, and thus had the honour of presiding over Grand Lodge in the year of Queen Victoria's Golden Jubilee, 1887. He had long been active in the Craft, both in his own lodge and in Grand Lodge. He was an experienced administrator, having assumed the duties of Grand Master on the untimely death of Allen Hill Crowe in 1880.

 

To observe the Golden Jubilee, M.W. Bro. Johnstone summoned Grand Lodge to an Emergent Communication on June 22, 1887. After the official opening, the brethren formed a procession and marched to St. Paul's Church led by the band of 63rd Volunteer Battalion. They presented an unusually fine appearance in regalia, white gloves and ties, and black silk hats. Attending them were members of the Royal Arch, the Knights Templar, and the Scottish Rite.  

The Jubilee Sermon was preached by Rev. David Christmas Moore, Past Grand Chaplain. He paid an eloquent tribute not only to the revered Queen but also to the value of monarchial government of which she was the symbol.

When the brethren returned to the Lodge Room, Major-General Laurie moved an address of loyalty and devotion to the Queen. It was passed unanimously and with enthusiasm. Subsequently, it was graciously acknowledged by Her Majesty. Votes of thanks were extended to the Rector of St. Paul's, Dr. Charles Hole and to his vestry, and enthusiastic appreciation was expressed to the choirmaster, Professor Porter, who conducted the choir in the singing of the anthem "Zadok the Priest", which had been written especially for the Golden Jubilee Service in Westminister Abbey by John Frederick Bridge. The guest preacher, Rev. D. C. Moore, was also thanked by the Craft. A year later, they chose him Grand Master.  

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A study of the growth and development of Freemasonry in the jurisdiction suggests that the year of Her Majesty Queen Victoria's Golden Jubilee could be described as nearing the end of the formative period of the Grand Lodge of Nova Scotia. Thereafter, there were to be many new projects and developments, but for these, the framework was already built.

 

excerpted from:

http://www.grandlodgens.org/glns/hist/shorthist/shist9.php

 

What is not stated - because of their extreme secrecy - is the fact that Queen Victoria was the Grand Matron of York and Scottish rite freemasonry. That is why she is honored. Royalty brings prestige and privilege to the Craft so in that sense they use it as they use all men of privilege.

 

The reader will also note how greatly the Lodge flourished as a result of that visit.

 

 

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The birthday of Queen Victoria, a virtuous wife and mother of nine children who for 64 years symbolized a great institution whose original foundations (unlike those of the American republic) were thoroughly Catholic, ought to be celebrated by all of her great-great-granddaughter's subjects despite the fact that she was not a Catholic.

 

Was it not during the reign of this "virtuous wife and mother" that the terrible sufferings of the Irish people were inflicted? Many a virtuous Irish-Catholic and French-Catholic mother held her own dying children for want of the basics in life.

 

Meanwhile, in Canada, no Catholic was allowed to vote or even hold a government job. That meant zero influence on the laws of their own country and the application of those laws were most severe on the Catholic population. Small farms were eliminated in favor of government-stamped produce - a stamp which was issued by the Lodge. 

 

A Catholic point about monarchy: Kingship is premised on a male monarch. Women were not meant to rule. It's interesting that the greatest honors in English history are paid to Queens who are in fact a perversion of themeaning of Kingship.

 

The fact that Henry VIII had no male heir was a clear chastisement from God. Further proof of His supreme wrath was having the crown placed on a woman.  Any intelligent Catholic observer at the time would have read these signs as a disaster in the making.

 

The fact that women now virtually rule our own local churches is a small-scale replication of that state of affairs.

 

~In JMJ

 

 

 

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2006, 07:49:AM »

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A Catholic point about monarchy: Kingship is premised on a male monarch. Women were not meant to rule.


What about Isabella I of Spain?  What about Maria Theresa of Austria, Bohemia, and Hungary?  

Granted, those were exceptional cases.  But that's the point: the fact that female sovereigns have been and should be exceptional does not mean they are impermissible.  If a king has no sons, but does have a capable daughter, and there is no law prohibiting female succession, then one can see it as God's will for her to reign, as these two great Catholic queens did.

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The fact that Henry VIII had no male heir was a clear chastisement from God.


Why do you say this?  The lack of a male heir was the reason he wanted to divorce Catherine of Aragon and marry Anne Boleyn, leading to the break with Rome when he didn't get his way.  Ironically, by saying this you would appear to be taking a position similar to Henry VIII's; it was his argument, which Rome rejected, that God had denied him a male heir as a chastisement for his marriage to his brother's widow.  

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Mernoc
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2006, 07:59:AM »

The British Royal Family have been largely Freemason's for generations now, why do you think they are allowed to maintain their position.  A fact that HRH the Duke of Kent does not even attempt to keep secret:

New Masonic Hall Opened

Do Not Let Your Dream of A Catholic Monarchy cloud your understanding of the facts.
As for Royal Cello I get the opinion that he would always be a monarchist first and if he where to ever convert then a Catholic second.  This unhealthy idolising of a monarch, any monarch, even a monarch who has no claim to anyones allegiance except the British people is certainly worrying.


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royalcello
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2006, 08:21:AM »

Yes, the Duke of Kent is a Freemason.  What's more important is that Prince Charles, the heir to the throne, refused to join, and it's unlikely that his sons will either.

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This unhealthy idolising of a monarch


I don't "idolise" Queen Elizabeth II.  I wasn't real thrilled with her pro-"Diversity" 2004 Christmas address.  But I revere that for which she stands, admire her dedication to duty, and will defend her and the institution she serves against unjust attacks.

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a monarch who has no claim to anyones allegiance except the British people


Queen Elizabeth II is also the sovereign of Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada (which is why Marybonita's hostility is so offensive), Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Paupa New Guinea, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent & the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, and Tuvalu.  

Additionally, as an English-speaking American of half-English descent, living in one of the original 13 colonies, who does not support the American revolution, I (like other American monarchists) feel a certain sentimental attachment to the British Crown even though this has no legal meaning.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2006, 08:25:AM »

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As for Royal Cello I get the opinion that he would always be a monarchist first and if he where [sic] to ever convert then a Catholic second.  


If both are properly understood, there is no conflict between Catholicism and monarchism.

St. Thomas More went to his grave with far more loyalty to King Henry VIII than Marybonita has shown to her considerably milder sovereign.
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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2006, 08:46:AM »

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If both are properly understood, there is no conflict between Catholicism and monarchism.

 

Well said!

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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2006, 09:33:AM »

As their are no obedient Catholic Monarch's left the issue if Catholic Monarchy is a non issue, further more it is not necessary for a catholic's salvation to be a supporter of monarchism so I would appreciate it if the fanatical monarchists among us would stop pushing this forward as if it was a dogma which must be believed and show a bit more respect to the non monarchist's who for all you know may be on better terms with God than yourselves.

The monarchy's who still exist at all today have been allowed to do so by the Mason's who use the prestige attached to the Monarchy to their own ends, those courageous monarch's who where not willing to lay down and become puppets of the masons where murdered, those monarch's who stood firm and died are worthy of praise, those who capitulated are not.

Last time I checked this was a Catholic Forum not a Forum about Monarchy also from the first post I gather that this is more about the freemason's celebration than the topic of the rights and wrongs of monarchy but once again another thread has been derailed to allow the monarchists to shout down all those who oppose their opinion.

"LET NO ONE QUESTION A MONARCH, ANYONE ELSE BUT NOT A MONARCH WHO IS ABOVE ALL CRITICISM".  Can you not see the hypocrisy in this position.


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