USA still British Crown Colony?

[VoxClamantis]

OK here's what I said without my wiseacre comments:

 

I think that's the key to this monarchy question.

 

It may very well be a desirable form of government (benevolent dictatorship), but how practical is it to restore it?

 

Perhaps instead of sitting out elections ...some folks need to partake in the political process and elect the types of officials we want.  With more conservatives voting for conservatives and holding them accountable we can affect change.

 

By abstaining from the process, a true conservative gives creedence to the loopy left (which is just a well-organized vocal minority)and this is what leads to potentially good candidates having to compromise on principles. 

 

I don't think it's that far from what you said, is it?

 

The problem is that there are only a handful of true conservatives (in the American sense of the word "conservative") running at any political level in the U.S. There was Pat Buchanan, there is Ron Paul, and -- hmmm, I'm thinking... Locally we had Andy Horning (whose campaign I tried to help out as much as I could). More good men need to run -- though they won't get funded, and they will get smeared in the newspapers (think of Pat, for ex.).

 

But the Republicans and Democrats are bought and paid for by the same people. They will give us nothing unless one of the rare "true conservatives" were to sneak through their Party systems AND not get smeared. In a different thread you said (and I paraphrase, so if I get it wrong, I beg pardon) that the Republican Party is the less evil Party. I don't agree. I think that the people who tend to BE Republicans at the, um, non-ordained level (ha) tend to be better people -- or, at least, people I would relate to better. But the pols? I wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw one (and I throw like a girl) -- the Ron Paul types who sneak through excepted.

[MikeSearson]

Vox,

 

We're in agreement believe it or not.

 

Every politician who has won a presidential  election since 1980 has campaigned as a conservative...but then swings to the middle when they govern (or in clinton's case the left). 

 

Yes...I'd like to see Pat Buchanan, Bob Dornan, and a few others attain higher office...hell I don't think W would be that bad if he would shrug off his handlers and just LEAD for a change.

 

Of course if Billary makes it in 08...I'll be bound for Pitcairn Island and will slay the inhabitants and install a Catholic Monarchy with me at the head!

 

 

[VoxClamantis]

 Of course if Billary makes it in 08...

 

 

I'm afraid she might. I just got done telling my Dad a few days ago that I am glad my Mamma (RIP) won't be around on earth to see that!

 

I'll be bound for Pitcairn Island and will slay the inhabitants and install a Catholic Monarchy with me at the head! 

 

Oh, can I be the Royal Fool!? I got the second part DOWN! 

[catholicresistence]

 Of course if Billary makes it in 08...

 

 

I'm afraid she might. I just got done telling my Dad a few days ago that I am glad my Mamma (RIP) won't be around on earth to see that!

 

I'll be bound for Pitcairn Island and will slay the inhabitants and install a Catholic Monarchy with me at the head! 

 

Oh, can I be the Royal Fool!? I got the second part DOWN! 

 

There is a scripture passage, where Christ says (my translation) that the dead are fortunate at the end of time, those alive are not. When I get a few minutes free time, will look it up if anyone needs it-but suffice to say, we are at the tail beginning of that time where our beloved dead are much more fortunate for having left this Earth.

 

May your mamma rest in peace Vox, may perpetual light shine on her!

 

Pitcairn Island?- let me know once your coup is successful, I am former law enforcement, will be happy to provide protection your majesty......Queen Vox I !!

 

BTW- looks like it is British owned, you will have to overthrow Lizzie II. You could take her I am sure!!!

 

Queen Vox I, her most Catholic Majesty

[catholicresistence]

Vox,

 

We're in agreement believe it or not.

 

Every politician who has won a presidential  election since 1980 has campaigned as a conservative...but then swings to the middle when they govern (or in clinton's case the left). 

 

Yes...I'd like to see Pat Buchanan, Bob Dornan, and a few others attain higher office...hell I don't think W would be that bad if he would shrug off his handlers and just LEAD for a change.

 

Of course if Billary makes it in 08...I'll be bound for Pitcairn Island and will slay the inhabitants and install a Catholic Monarchy with me at the head!

 

 

 

Dornan would not be too bad, he was going to run in CA on the American Independant Party (the CA affiliate of Constitution Party) until Gilchrist stepped forward, Dornan bowed out.

 

We have been boxed into a "vote A or B' when both are bad. People are apethetic and hte laws help in that. In my state, we have to get several thousand signatures to get ballot access, yet the others do not. Both sides play with the voter, but...enough of my soapbox for now

[catholicresistence]

 

OK here's what I said without my wiseacre comments:

 

I think that's the key to this monarchy question.

 

It may very well be a desirable form of government (benevolent dictatorship), but how practical is it to restore it?

 

Perhaps instead of sitting out elections ...some folks need to partake in the political process and elect the types of officials we want.  With more conservatives voting for conservatives and holding them accountable we can affect change.

 

By abstaining from the process, a true conservative gives creedence to the loopy left (which is just a well-organized vocal minority)and this is what leads to potentially good candidates having to compromise on principles. 

 

I don't think it's that far from what you said, is it?

 

The problem is that there are only a handful of true conservatives (in the American sense of the word "conservative") running at any political level in the U.S. There was Pat Buchanan, there is Ron Paul, and -- hmmm, I'm thinking... Locally we had Andy Horning (whose campaign I tried to help out as much as I could). More good men need to run -- though they won't get funded, and they will get smeared in the newspapers (think of Pat, for ex.).

 

But the Republicans and Democrats are bought and paid for by the same people. They will give us nothing unless one of the rare "true conservatives" were to sneak through their Party systems AND not get smeared. In a different thread you said (and I paraphrase, so if I get it wrong, I beg pardon) that the Republican Party is the less evil Party. I don't agree. I think that the people who tend to BE Republicans at the, um, non-ordained level (ha) tend to be better people -- or, at least, people I would relate to better. But the pols? I wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw one (and I throw like a girl) -- the Ron Paul types who sneak through excepted.

 

Amen to that, though Buchanan basically wnet back to the kennel he denounced in 2004. Go Ron Paul!!! Only the Church is perfect as Christ body, we labor in the arena as best we can.

[kjvail]

A) You can't restore an American monarchy because there has never been an American monarchy.
 
  I don't know of any monarchist, except this loopy guy out in CA, that is talking about installing an American monarchy.
 
  B) It doesn't matter a hill of beans whether you vote or not in the  current system, the result is either directly or indirectly fixed by  the political parties (or party rather, there is really only one).
   There is no possibility of anyone outside the Democrat or  Republican "parties" being elected to anything of significance. All  power is now concentrated in Washington DC and they have a iron lock on  it, the only way to break that lock is to break the whole system i.e.  revolution.
  You can vote third party if you want as a protest or to assuage your  conscience or whatever but be aware that is all you are doing.
 
 

[catholicresistence]

A) You can't restore an American monarchy because there has never been an American monarchy.

I don't know of any monarchist, except this loopy guy out in CA, that is talking about installing an American monarchy.

B) It doesn't matter a hill of beans whether you vote or not in the current system, the result is either directly or indirectly fixed by the political parties (or party rather, there is really only one).
 There is no possibility of anyone outside the Democrat or Republican "parties" being elected to anything of significance. All power is now concentrated in Washington DC and they have a iron lock on it, the only way to break that lock is to break the whole system i.e. revolution.
You can vote third party if you want as a protest or to assuage your conscience or whatever but be aware that is all you are doing.

 

You're views are why no third party has made inroads in years and that the Dems/Repubs control everything. IF you live in a state with a 3rd party candidate running that you can support, vote for hiim/her. Get involved in the Party you support, give money, sign petitions.

 

Simply saying-as millions do- thats that and we can do nothing helps defeat any attempt to DO something.

 

I get it all the time "let me know when something happens"- wll, something does not fall out of the sky. The Bible did not either, someone had to sit down and start writing.

 

In a sense, so do we. Simply sitting home or throwing up our hands does nothing at all and in affect- aids the enemy more than any supposed vote for 3rd party candidate.

 

The Dems/Repubs want you to do nothing, give up and stay with them. Or sit at home.

 

IF all the people that say "it can't be done" would actually do, then we can make a difference as Christians in the civil body politic. The enemy certainly is, do we then just give up and concede to them??

 

WHere does that line in the sand end?? They control and force us to pay taxes to fund Planned parenthood, public schools, etc. That is where the "lesser of 2 evils" has gotten us or sitting at home and refusing to do something.

 

I cannot face my maker knwoing I had a chance to save lives and stand up to the NWO evil and all that this Anti-Christ system-entrenched deeply in Dems/Repubs- is pushing.

 

It is time to stop the excuses and for Christians to push back!!! No possiblity outside the 2 socialists parties? only if you think, act this way!!

 

The revolution is the abandonment of the 2 socialists. Vote Libertarian if that is for you, me, the CP is most in line-though not perfect of course- to my Catholic beliefs. Our platform is most in line with Subsidiarity and Distributism (yes, my spelling and time is not great).

 

The time is late, we have little time- what are you going to do? Stop the excuses, stop the defeatist mentality.

[royalcello]

I'm not an absolutist about not voting.  I don't vote because there isn't an existing American political party I could support.  No, it wouldn't have to be a monarchist party.    But the Constitution Party has a strong Calvinist/Protestant flavor that I'm not comfortable with, and its idolization of the Constitution is excessive even apart from Catholic/monarchist reservations about the American Revolution.  

There are plenty of people in this country disenchanted with both the Republicans and Democrats who are never going to be convinced that the solution to all our problems is to dismantle every government program or agency not explicitly authorized in 1787.  I myself believe that modern environmental, industrial, and labor issues may require legitimate government action which could not have been foreseen in the 18th century.

What this country needs is an alternative party whose appeal is not limited to Calvinist Constitutionalist Fundamentalists.  I would be happy with a "big-tent" approach focusing on three issues: anti-abortion, non-interventionist foreign policy, and anti-immigration.  Let other issues be debatable and welcome a variety of approaches, instead of taking hardline positions on every single issue imaginable, including obscure topics like the Panama Canal, which will keep the party marginalized.  But I am not aware of any party meeting the former description.

[orangemetal]

Hey, how about all of us here start a monarchist party, why can't a monarchist get elected? Who says monarchy is against election, there have been many elected kings, right!?