How NFP kills embryos

[fiatvoluntastua]

This is absolutely ridiculous, as you can only get pregnant in a very short window- even if you have sex during the "fertile" time during NFP does not mean that you will get pregnant- it just increases the likelhood.

 

NFP is usually the first line for people TRYING to get pregnant who are having difficulty concieving. 

 

And for Orangemetal, Pope Pius XII thought quite differently from you.

 

For Marty, you seem determined to condemn NFP, although you admit the Church allows it for serious reasons.  You cannot condemn a method as totally un-Catholic and then admit the Church allows it some of the time.  THe abuse of something does not make that something evil; that's basic theology.

 

Vox, can this be a banned topic for discussion?

[quoprimum]

I totally agree with you Jonathan, but whenever we have a discussion on  the board about this, most here think NFP is fine in certain  circumstances.  We really have to trust in Gods Divine Providence  in all things.  Believe me, I am 45 almost 46, just had my 4th  child and if I conceive again, it will be Gods Will and he will  provide. Period. Does it scare me? The thought of having another child?  Sometimes. Right now, I wake UP needing a nap LOL!  My husband has  been out of work twice this year, and one time he lost his job, we only  had 30$ in our checking account!! We have been on the edge of having  our house auctioned off for taxes! Twice! We prayed about it and within  the week he had enough "odd" jobs to pay our most pressing bills.   God will provide for the children he sends.  He promises.  We  as Catholics need to learn to Surrender to Gods Will no matter what  area of our life we are talking about.  I am not saying it is  easy, but look at most of the Saints lives.  Most grew up in  large, very poor families.  This is what creates vocations, and  love of Gods Will.
 
  Gladius, your .02 cents?
 
  In Christ
  Monique
 
 
 

[JLeigh]

Vox, can this be a banned topic for discussion?

Sara, you are free to not participate in the topic if it bothers you. I do that plenty around here...

[Marty]

 

 

 

For Marty, you seem determined to condemn NFP, although you admit the Church allows it for serious reasons.  You cannot condemn a method as totally un-Catholic and then admit the Church allows it some of the time.  THe abuse of something does not make that something evil; that's basic theology.

My oath I'll 'condemn' NFP! Of course I'll admit the Church allows it... cos it does...fair dinkum.

I've taken my agenda elsewhere, like you flagrantly feministicly suggested, and you barrel me up here...what is a man to do? No wonder I drink.

I can 'condemn' a method as un Catholic such as NFP just as I do the use of alter Girls and the 4th Mysteries of the Rosary, - what's wrong with that? Am I upsetting you?

I'm stating the bleeding obvious, I'm not a rocket (or NFP) scientist, I'm a flippin plagiarist!!

I just wish the Church would just say, "if you cant handle kids right now, for what ever reason (blah blah blah) don't participate in the marital act." simple and effective and dumb proof.

I reckon even I would know how to do that...

 

 

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[Spooky7272]

 

I just wish the Church would just say, "if you cant handle kids right now, for what ever reason (blah blah blah) don't participate in the marital act." simple and effective and dumb proof.

I reckon even I would know how to do that...

 

 

I thought that's what NFP was! Abstinence to avoid pregnancy.

[Marty]

No 'marital act' at all, never, no no, nuh huh, zipped, until the problem is solved is what I mean mate, sorry

[Mernoc]

The churches current problems first started with the introduction of NFP and the much wider acceptance of Mixed marriages in my opinion.  These two things prepared the ground for more modernistic ideas to be introduced into the church and helped lead to a loss of zeal among the faithful.

[Paul]

My oath I'll 'condemn' NFP! Of course I'll admit the Church allows it... cos it does...fair dinkum.  

I've taken my agenda elsewhere, like you flagrantly feministicly suggested, and you barrel me up here...what is a man to do? No wonder I drink.

I can 'condemn' a method as un Catholic such as NFP just as I do the use of alter Girls and the 4th Mysteries of the Rosary, - what's wrong with that? Am I upsetting you?

I'm stating the bleeding obvious, I'm not a rocket (or NFP) scientist, I'm a flippin plagiarist!!

I just wish the Church would just say, "if you cant handle kids right now, for what ever reason (blah blah blah) don't participate in the marital act." simple and effective and dumb proof.

I reckon even I would know how to do that...

I wish the Church would say lots of things - my life would be a lot easier if certain things were no longer sins. But, we know God's laws don't change, and what is moral and what is immoral stays the same.

Yes, lots of people abuse NFP, but that doesn't mean tracking the fertile times and refraining from sex during them is always immoral. In certain cases, that's allowed, even if those cases rarely arise and most people don't meet the requirements.

[Mernoc]

Deliberately restricting the practice of the conjugal act to the non fertile times when there is only a 2% chance of pregnancy occurring is not much better than husband and wife taking part in mutual masturbation.  By doing this it is clear that their primary purpose is for their own pleasure not for the begetting of children.

We are told that when a man commits the sin of onan during the conjugal act there is also a minimal chance of conception still occurring, this then begs the question how is NFP any different than the sin of onan?

Bearing in mind all of this, to say NFP is ok makes no sense whatsoever.

[veritas2974]

I must be VERY simple minded because I believe that God is the creator of all life. What I am interpreting in these threads seem to say God permits life rather than creates it. If birth control is contrary to God's law than how can Churchmen allow it? Using NFP is like saying "We trust you God but not that much". I could more easily understand the use of NFP if every marital act outside the NFP schedule would result in a pregnancy but it does not.