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Author Topic: The Real Origins of Opus Dei?  (Read 5657 times)
Immaculata001
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« on: May 28, 2006, 10:02:PM »

I know someone who is a Master Mason at a Grand Orient, primarily Judaic lodge.

 

This person's views on the Catholic Church were interesting -- this individual says that freemason's tend not to blame individual Catholics or perceive them sworn enemies, as many NO priests are "brethren" at their lodges, which makes most NO Catholics potential indoctrinated sympathizers (all of these NO priests are more faithful to "the work" than they are to Catholicism, and I had it confirmed that they are never celibate).  The Master Mason receives communion from some NO brethren, on occasion, at NO services.  The Master Mason also claims that high ranking Vatican officials are either sympathetic to "the work," or are morally corrupt: the Master Mason cites the fact that it was exposed in European newspapers, around the time of the Swiss Guard murder scandal, that there was apparently a brothel and strip club, frequented by clergy, within the Vatican ...

 

The Master Mason also stated that the Church is now viewed as a primarily political organization, which inhabits the exoskeleton of a religious dogma -- the truly orthodox religious dogma is what is seen as the arch enemy of masonry, which this master mason believes is more virulent than Islamism, because it constitutes the fusion of high culture and philosophy (the Master Mason said that Mohammedans are nothing -- a bunch of brain washed peasants)...

 

The Master Mason views the current church as a front for generating capital from obedient and fear-indoctrinated devotees, who have been emotionally/psychologically blackmailed...

 

The most interesting aspect of this conversation, though, was this Master Mason's view on Opus Dei: the Master Mason says that they have their origins in the Rosicrucians, AND that this is no secret in the world of freemasonry.  Moreover, he states that the billions they have is just "bulls**t money," and they do not entrust their devotees with any of the "secrets of the work."

 

The parallels between Opus Dei and freemasonry are terribly interesting: both call their primarily purpose, "the work," both have secret legal codes that are not readily apparent to those without AND even within the organization, and both encourage slavish obedience to a hierarchy within the organization.  Both have been accused of similar misdeeds with regards to finance, political influence, both are fervent backers of Talmudism, etc...

 

Does anyone have evidence about the Rosicrucian origins of the Freemasons?

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Quo_Vadis_Petre
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2006, 10:06:PM »

I would recommend reading this book for the answer to your question (note that this is the same book as Grand Orient Freemasonry Unmasked as the Secret Power Behind Communism):

        THE

       

        WAR OF          ANTICHRIST
         WITH THE CHURCH

       

        AND

       

        CHRISTIAN          CIVILIZATION

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2006, 07:51:AM »

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The Master Mason also stated that the Church is now viewed as a primarily political organization, which inhabits the exoskeleton of a religious dogma -- the truly orthodox religious dogma is what is seen as the arch enemy of masonry, which this master mason believes is more virulent than Islamism, because it constitutes the fusion of high culture and philosophy (the Master Mason said that Mohammedans are nothing -- a bunch of brain washed peasants)...

 

The Master Mason views the current church as a front for generating capital from obedient and fear-indoctrinated devotees, who have been emotionally/psychologically blackmailed...

 

Yes, he is right. The Islamics are even a side-shoot of the same movement Freemasonry came forth from. Arianism, which inspired Islam, was tied with gnosticism and influenced Mohammed. The same ideologies inspired Freemasonry and were embraced by Cabbalistic rabbis.

 

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The most interesting aspect of this conversation, though, was this Master Mason's view on Opus Dei: the Master Mason says that they have their origins in the Rosicrucians, AND that this is no secret in the world of freemasonry.  Moreover, he states that the billions they have is just "bulls**t money," and they do not entrust their devotees with any of the "secrets of the work."

 

The parallels between Opus Dei and freemasonry are terribly interesting: both call their primarily purpose, "the work," both have secret legal codes that are not readily apparent to those without AND even within the organization, and both encourage slavish obedience to a hierarchy within the organization.  Both have been accused of similar misdeeds with regards to finance, political influence, both are fervent backers of Talmudism, etc...

 

A bit far fetched. Opus Dei however is known to be quite close to Judaism, especially after the death of its founder Fr. Escrivá. There are other congregations too which carry the name "Work", and it is preposterous to accuse them all of being Masonic. In fact, I never heard Masons address their common plans as "The Work".

 

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Does anyone have evidence about the Rosicrucian origins of the Freemasons?

 

I do know, that both are rooted in occultism, Cabbalism, and maintain close ties. But Rosicrucians tend to be less politically active and more spiritually active than Freemasons.

 

Rosicrucians were a prime source of inspiration to National Socialist occultism, formerly known as the Thule Society, of which Himmler, Goebbels and many other leading Nazis and nationalists were members. They abhorred Masons and Jews however. Quite contradictory. Or is it not?

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Immaculata001
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2006, 10:09:AM »

 

 

 

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There are other congregations too which carry the name "Work", and it is preposterous to accuse them all of being Masonic. In fact, I never heard Masons address their common plans as "The Work".

 

Actually, Freemasons always refer to what goes on in the lodge as "Work" -- sometimes they call it "the craft," or in French it is literally,"work" ("on travaille", "le travaille").

 

I know this because when they were vetting me (I've had a couple of encounters when I was pressured to join, in my university days in Europe), I began reading a lot of their literature, and "the craft" or "travaille" was always referred to...

 

Although freemasons seem to be referring to some incredibly murky occultism, the details of which never seem to be revealed, except as some gnostic quest.  The revolutionary activities don't seem to be referred to as "work," although the implication is that they are a natural outgrowth.  This stands in contrast to the slavish "work" of Opus Dei, were people literally turn over their checks for economic exploitation...

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Does anyone have evidence about the Rosicrucian origins of the Freemasons?

 

I do know, that both are rooted in occultism, Cabbalism, and maintain close ties. But Rosicrucians tend to be less politically active and more spiritually active than Freemasons.

 

Rosicrucians were a prime source of inspiration to National Socialist occultism, formerly known as the Thule Society, of which Himmler, Goebbels and many other leading Nazis and nationalists were members. They abhorred Masons and Jews however. Quite contradictory. Or is it not?

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Rosicrucians do focus on occultism, as the Grand Orient lodge does of the Master Mason, however, because they claim to posess the secrets of alchemy, there are some obvious economic implications. 

 

From what I've heard, Rosicrucians and Freemasons tend to be quite similar in Catholic nations, and I've never heard of any mutual animosity.

 

Another interesting perspective from the Master Mason: the Scottish Rites fo North America are perceived as juvenilia, by the Grand Orient lodges of Europe.  They're seen as social clubs were people "hardly work."

 

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Quo_Vadis_Petre
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2006, 03:30:PM »

This article shows a bit about Opus Dei and its connections (CAREFUL with this site: it seems to be rabidly anti-Catholic, although it does show shocking details about The Passion of the Christ, like Monica Belucci being a porn star, though some of you may know that):

http://watch.pair.com/new-reformation.html
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Marty
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2006, 07:34:PM »

Quote from: Quo_Vadis_Petre

Boom!

That was a really good read.

Dunno if its fair dinkum, I mean all the prophesies, but the Opus Dei facts are spot on.

Why else would a rabbi be a co-operator? In the interest of ecumenicism? Surly not. ($$$???)

Why would a rabbi want to be part of a Catholic Lay movement anyway?

And why would a catholic movement have/allow a rabbi act as a spokesman?

Why would a catholic movement allow a rabbi to be involved in any capacity (co-operator)

 

If they are a lay movement, why are they only answerable to the Pope? (personal prelature) Why isn't a layman in charge?

Something doesn't mix well here - like oil and water, it just doesn't happen, they have different ideals for a start (jews and Catholics).....or do they?

Stinks like the sulphate of modernism and freemasonry.

Did you know that St. Padre' Pio used to walk through crowds of people and point out all the Freemasons in the crowd? How I wish that he and St. Escriva crossed paths.

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Quo_Vadis_Petre
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2006, 09:36:PM »

I just read a bit from www.opusdeialert.com. I was appalled at the allegation from the webmaster, affirming that Michael Davies was a member of Opus Dei, and so not a true traditionalist!!!! He may present some good facts but this is over the top, IMHO!!
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"In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics."   -St. Pius X

"If the Church were not divine, this Council [the Second Vatican Council] would have buried Her."   -Cardinal Giuseppe Siri

St. Peter Arbues, pray for us.
Marty
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2006, 10:25:PM »

Quote from: Quo_Vadis_Petre
I just read a bit from www.opusdeialert.com. I was appalled at the allegation from the webmaster, affirming that Michael Davies was a member of Opus Dei, and so not a true traditionalist!!!! He may present some good facts but this is over the top, IMHO!!

Yeah, whilst it presents good arguments, the people behind opus dei alert seem a bit nuts, I prefer www.odan.org .

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