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« on: June 20, 2006, 11:46:AM »

Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples

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Crown Prince Vittorio Emanuele, Vittorio Emanuele Alberto Carlo Teodoro Umberto Bonifacio Amadeo Damiano Bernardino Gennaro Maria of Savoy (born February 12, 1937) was the last crown prince of the Kingdom of Italy and is considered to be the pretender to the defunct throne.

Pretender: Vittorio Emanuele
Born February 12 1937
Regnal name claimed Vittorio Emanuele IV
Title(s) if any Prince of Naples
Throne claimed Italy
Monarchy abolished 1946
Last monarch Umberto II
Connection with son
Royal House House of Savoy

The Prince of Naples and Duke of Savoy is current head of the House of Savoy. He is known to Italian monarchists as Vittorio Emanuele IV. He has lived for most of his life in exile - following the referendum in 1946 that made Italy a republic. He has been widely criticised in Italy and abroad because of a series of blunders, remarks seen as anti-semitic and a murder charge.

Victor Emmanuel was arrested on June 16, 2006, following an investigation started by Henry John Woodcock of the Public Prosecutor's Office in Potenza [1], on charges of criminal association, corruption and exploitation of prostitution.

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Early life and family

Victor Emmanuel was born February 12, 1937 in Naples to Umberto, Prince of Piedmont, later the last King of Italy, and Princess Marie-José of Belgium. When Umberto II left Italy after a referendum ending the monarchy in 1946, the Royal Family of Savoy lived in exile, mostly in Switzerland and Portugal. Following the separation of the exiled King and Queen, Prince Vittorio Emmanuele lived with the exiled Queen in an estate in Merlinge, Switzerland. Victor Emmanuel and his family currently reside in Geneva, where the office of the Head of the House of Savoy is situated.

After an 11-year engagement, Victor Emmanuel, then a banker and helicopter salesman, married Swiss biscuit heiress Marina Doria in Tehran on October 7, 1971. A gold-medal-winning trick-ski champion, Doria—daughter of René Ricolfi Doria and Iris Benvenuti—had also been a star attraction at the Florida amusement park Cypress Gardens in the 1950s, highlights that did not endear the groom's father to the marriage; the exiled king refused to attend.

Victor Emmanuel has one son, Emanuele Filiberto, Prince of Venice and Piedmont, born in Geneva, June 22, 1972. Emanuele Filiberto is the heir-apparent of the House of Savoy. He was married to Clotilde Courau, a French actress, on September 25, 2003.

Royal duties

Titular Italian Royal Family

Victor Emmanuel holds no official Italian royal duties because Italy is now a republic.

King Umberto II, the last king of Italy, however, did not abdicate his position as fons honorum (or fount of honours). Indeed, when he left Italy, he took the hereditary Grand Masterships of the dynastic orders of his royal house with him. These orders were Ordine Supremo della SS. Annunziata (The Supreme Order of the Most Holy Annunciation) and Ordine dei Santi Maurizio e Lazzaro (The Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus). Umberto II held these unto his death in 1983.

As Umberto II's heir, Victor Emmanuel succeeded his father as the Grand Master of these dynastic orders when the exiled king died in 1983. Because of this, he is involved in the ceremonies and activities associated with these orders.

Return to Italy

As with some other former monarchies, Italian laws restricted a living monarch, as well as their descendants, from entering their homeland. The royal family of Italy had been banned by a special constitutional "temporary disposition" prohibiting any male member of the House of Savoy from entering Italy after 1948. This was because King Victor Emmanuel III appointed fascist leader Benito Mussolini as prime minister and kept him in power despite clear evidence of Mussolini's associations with the murder of rivals.

Victor Emmanuel had been lobbying the Parliament of Italy for years to be allowed to return to his homeland after 56 years in exile. He even filed a case at the European Court of Human Rights, in which the prince charged that his lengthy exile violated his rights.

In order to achieve a return to his homeland, he renounced any claim to the throne and to Italy's crown jewels. He publicly assured the Italian government that the nation and the crown properties, confiscated by the State in 1946, "are no longer ours", referring to the House of Savoy. "For that matter we have no claim on the Crown jewels", he said. "We have nothing in Italy and we are not asking for anything." Victor Emmanuel also dropped his case at the European Court of Human Rights.

On October 23, 2002, the provision in the Constitution of Italy that barred the male descendants of the House of Savoy from setting foot in the Italian Republic was abolished, permitting Victor Emmanuel to re-enter the country after November 10 of that year. On his first trip home in over half a century, he, his wife and his son had a 20-minute audience with Pope John Paul II at the Vatican.

The visit lasted just three days. Victor Emmanuel spoke of experiencing "indescribable emotion" upon visiting his homeland for the first time since he was nine years old. The reception of the Savoys was mixed; most people were indifferent to them, some hostile, few supportive. The media reported that many in Naples were not happy to see the return of the family. In Naples, where Victor Emmanuel was born, and from where his family sailed into exile in 1946, noisy demonstrations were staged by two traditionally opposing factions: anti-monarchists on one hand, and supporters of the Bourbon Kings of the Two Sicilies, whose family was deposed when Italy was united in 1871 under the House of Savoy.

Other honours

Styles of
Prince Vittorio Emanuele of Italy, Prince of Naples
Reference style His Royal Highness
Spoken style Your Royal Highness
Alternative style Sir

He is Bailiff Grand Cross of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and Bailiff Grand Cross of Justice of the Constantinian Order of St George.

He also holds several Russian dynastic orders, including the Order of Saint Andrew, Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Alexander Nevsky, the Order of the White Eagle, and the Order of Saint Anne. He is also a Knight of the Order of the Redeemer of Greece, and the Order of the Immaculate Conception of Vila Viçosa. He also claims the title of "King of Jerusalem"; this title is also claimed by King Juan Carlos I of Spain.

Controversies

Victor Emmanuel's impulsive personality has resulted in a number of controversies, which have reportedly done little to increase the popularity of the family.

On the night of August 17 or the subsequent morning of August 18, 1978, on the island of Cavallo, which lies off the south coast of Corsica, Victor Emmanuel discovered his yacht's rubber dinghy had been taken and attached to another nearby yacht. Arming himself with a rifle, he attempted to board the yacht. He shot at and missed a passenger he had awakened, but hit Dirk Hamer (the son of Ryke Geerd Hamer), a passenger sleeping on the deck of another adjacent yacht. The prince admitted civil liability for the death in a letter dated August 28, 1978. Mr. Hamer died of his wounds on December 7, 1978, and Victor Emmanuel was arrested. On October 11, 1989, he was indicted on charges of fatal wounding and offensive weapons possession, but on November 18, 1991 the Paris Assize Court acquitted him of the fatal wounding and unintentional homicide charges, finding him guilty only of unauthorized possession of a US30MI rifle.

On May 21, 2004, following a dinner held by King Juan Carlos I of Spain on the eve of the wedding of his son Felipe, Prince of Asturias, Victor Emmanuel punched his cousin and arch-rival Amadeo of Savoy, duke of Aosta, twice in the face. Part of the background to his behaviour during this incident is the support Duke Amadeo has received from monarchists as legitimate heir to the Italian throne, since Victor Emmanuel officially had to renounce his claim to it in order to return to Italy.

Victor Emmanuel also said in recent years that the anti-Semitic laws passed under Mussolini's regime were "not that terrible". This is in line with previous statements of the senior member of the Savoys, who had downplayed the significance of the anti-Jewish laws signed by his grandfather. He eventually issued an apology to Italy's Jewish leadership for his remarks. However, since these remarks came just before the parliament had to vote about the possibility of letting the Savoys come back to Italy, he immediately built himself the reputation of being somewhat "un-savvy".

His name, moreover, has been found on the list of Licio Gelli's "Propaganda Due" Freemasonic lodge. His membership in this outlawed right-wing Masonic lodge has also tarnished his reputation, as has his involvement in arms dealing on behalf of the Shah of Iran (Victor Emmanuel held his wedding in Tehran, and his son Emanuele Filiberto also bears the name Reza, supposedly a reference to Reza Pahlavi).

Victor Emmanuel's reputation has never recovered from these controversies, particularly the murder charge and his anti-Semitic remarks. He is often seen as an embittered, spoilt man dogged by his tendencies toward social gaffes. It is believed that his ill reception in his native land was in part due to his reputation abroad.

Arrest

On June 16, 2006 he was arrested in Varenna and imprisoned in Potenza on charges of corruption and exploitation of prostitution connected with the gambling house of Campione d'Italia. [2].

The enquiry is held by Italian magistrate John Woodcock, of British ancestry, famous for other VIPs' arrests [3].

His son Emmanuel Filiberto dismissed the charges as "yet another publicity stunt" and said, "I hope (the prosecutor) is sure of his charges, or it will be the last time he does anything." He complained that his father was treated "like a bandit." [4]

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royalcello
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 12:04:PM »

While Victor Emanuel has never exactly been a model of decorum, I can't help suspecting that these charges have been fabricated or exaggerated by politically motivated enemies of the royal family.

In any case I would not judge him too harshly; when he was nine years old he was unjustly deprived (via a referendum of questionable veracity which occupying American forces may have rigged) of the role for which he was born, and cruelly exiled from his homeland until a few years ago.  It is often very hard for members of deposed royal families to adjust to life in the modern world, as they are denied the opportunity to serve their countries as their ancestors did, but simultaneously retain a certain distinction which makes it difficult for them to live "normal" lives as commoners.  As a result they often end up unsure of their role in life.

The Italian Republic is an abomination.  Victor Emanuel should be King Victor Emanuel IV of Italy (or Sardinia, if the pre-unification states were restored as I'd prefer); then this never would have happened.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 12:13:PM »

From the Telegraph article on this story:

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"It is the criminal and bitter end of a dynasty," said La Repubblica. It added that Prince Victor is "without a throne, a real homeland, a people and now even a history".


Well, whose fault is that?

Oh, how I hate anti-monarchists and the illegitimate republics they create!



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catholicresistence
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 12:13:PM »

If I could vote, I would vote for the other guy-the one that is heir-apparent and punched in face.

 

BTW- depriving him of his throne may be bad, worse if he was left a puper, but I cannot see this as a explanation of his Masonic ties (alleged), nor his behaviors.

 

I was moved several states away when I was 16 and starting to really come out of my shell, yet I have not become a Mason, punched anyone out nor fired on anyone.

 

Again, King Carl Hapsburg was left a pauper, yet seemed to pass along the Faith w/o this poor behavior. I have yet to hear of any Masons in the "woodpile" of his line.

 

Sadly, the Savoy's have along association with Masons (including Garibaldi).

 

Again, I would go with the other fellow, he has a bit of a better track record (except for a few illigitimate kids).

 

We all know the role of the USA with NWO, yet it does not allow for poor behavior. Many people have lost everything they have, many with far less, yet come about better then this fellow (too many Royals are too pampered, unlike the early warrior kings).

 

IT is sad, he will either have to get over it or pay the price-here and in the hereafter.

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 12:18:PM »

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Again, King Carl Hapsburg was left a pauper, yet seemed to pass along the Faith w/o this poor behavior.


Yes, some royals have stronger characters than others.  It was still wrong to deprive them of their rights, even the non-saintly ones.  And Victor Emanuel hadn't done anything objectionable at the age of nine in 1946 when the Italian monarchy was abolished.

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(too many Royals are too pampered, unlike the early warrior kings)


And who has the right to prevent them from being "pampered"?  A redistributionist socialist welfare state?  Sounds like egalitarianism to me.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2006, 12:22:PM »

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Again, I would go with the other fellow


Again, as I've tried to explain to you regarding Charles vs. William in the UK, that simply isn't how hereditary monarchy works.  Part of the point of the system is that the selection of head of state is not a popularity contest.  Amadeo might be a more likable man, but he is not the heir to the throne.  A slightly better argument aginst Victor Emanuel might be that he pledged allegiance to the Italian Republic in order to be re-admitted to Italy.  However it is my position that such a "renunication" (like that of Archduke Otto in 1961) was under duress, imposed under unjust conditions, and therefore not valid or binding.  Also, while some traditional monarchists objected to VE's marriage to a commoner, the marriage was accepted by King Umberto II before the end of his life.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2006, 12:52:PM »

I understand what you are saying, that no matter how bad someone is, no matter how much a heathen, etc-nor Mason-they have a natural right to the throne to rule over us.

 

They cannot then be set aside for a better candidate? Juana was mentally insane (Ferdinand and Isabella's daughter). Accordingly, I guess she would have to take the throne and rule, no matter how mentally ill she was, nor how her decisions would affect the rest of subjects.

 

Authority comes not from DNA, but from God. When a ruler is detrimental to his people and his actions bring God's judgement, he must be removed, least the land suffer wrath. Remember, of the 9 ways to sin, one is enabling the sin, another silence.

 

 

I noticed you failed to answer any of my other points I brought up. I have read a lot of Papal writings on Govt and find no where in any of them a "right" to the throne automatically due to birth. Nor do I find any Scriptural basis for automatic succession-matter of fact, according to my former Byzantine pastor, the king was often chosen partially on basis of the mother (Gibera-spelling nor exact).

 

Consider this entry in Wiki:

Victor Emmanuel II of Savoy became Victor Emmanuel II of Italy. However Count Cavour, his trusted advisor, did most of the work, and was very powerful. Some of his goals were to a) industrialize, i.e. railroads, b) reduce influence of Catholic Church, c) economic reform through a new tax system and d) better foreign affairs, using diplomacy to make allies, i.e. Franch intervention in the Austrian war with Piedmont. Cito Emmanuel II was also excommunicated from the Roman Catholic faith after the Italian army attacked Rome and forced Pope Pius IX to retreat and from Vatican City.

 

 

Now, assuming all facts are true, you would expect me to bow before this antichrist like king and give him absolute obidience??

 

I think that your attachement to monarchy goes beyond most, in that though it is a fine and decent form of Govt-one that I do not disapprove of all at- it is bordering on idolotry. If Victor II was in full agreement with Cavour, Garibaldi and othe Masons, or failed to stop them, he should have been removed either by the family or by the people for his assaults on the true King's-Christ-church.

 

Again, I think you place a bit too much insistence on man made titles, not on God's rule nad hence, those subject to obey him, over man (see Psalm 2). Not to be mean to you, for their is much to be said for your arguements at times.

 

The question is then, who will you serve, God or the King? When they diverge so broadly, I serve God alone. We see God's favor taken away from Saul and given to the rebel David.

 

Unification of Italy, though admirable on levels, was yet another ploy of the NWO forces to gradually unify the world. We see Garibaldi's hatred of the Church in his constant agitation to capture Rome and the Papal states. O good Mason he was, the Savoy's too-though a bit more cautious.

 

I posted the original post as I found it interesting, esp to monarchists here-those a bit less radically inclined as yourself (again, no "slam" meant to you).

 

As my questions about serving Pope/Church hating Masons was not really addressed and I have no intention to spend the remainder of the day debating on this topic, I will bid you-on this thread-adieu for now.

 

 

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2006, 12:59:PM »

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Quote from: catholicresistence
Again, King Carl Hapsburg was left a pauper, yet seemed to pass along the Faith w/o this poor behavior.


Yes, some royals have stronger characters than others. It was still wrong to deprive them of their rights, even the non-saintly ones. And Victor Emanuel hadn't done anything objectionable at the age of nine in 1946 when the Italian monarchy was abolished.

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(too many Royals are too pampered, unlike the early warrior kings)


And who has the right to prevent them from being "pampered"? A redistributionist socialist welfare state? Sounds like egalitarianism to me.

 

Guess you did try to answer a few things-pampered kids usually turn out to be poor adults-spare the rod sound familiar? Whether he did anyting or not at the monarchy's abolition-by overwhleming vote of the people, is not the point-his character is!. Rights, BTW, come from God, not DNA nad man appointed titles. IF you bothered to read any of my blog, or the CP platform, you would know that I am neither 1. a socialist 2. redistributionist 3. welfare supporter of 4. egalitarian. These views are incompatible with Catholicism (the faith I profess daily, the one I am called to die for and the one you are as yet not committed to-though you apparently do have a religion)

 

Stop offering up your time on idolotry of monarchy (obviously, this is not meant for those that are monarchists with a true Catholic sense) and accept Christ and his Church.  As you are rather transparent on your responses, I definately will bid you adieu.

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