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Author Topic: Modest swimwear?  (Read 12886 times)
BlGeorgeNapper
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« on: July 21, 2006, 09:04:AM »

From the Telegraph (UK) today:
 
 

Muslim full-body swimsuits join the beach bikinis
By Oliver Poole in Istanbul

 
(Filed: 21/07/2006)
 
 

 
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The  beaches of Turkey, crowded with women in bikinis or sunbathing topless,  are witnessing a new phenomenon: neck-to-ankle swimwear worn by  increasingly confident Muslim women.

The Islamic swimwear consists of a full-body suit and a hood that is pulled over a tight bonnet. The development is worrying the country's secularists and there have been reports of lifeguards ordering women off beaches for wearing the suits.
 

       

Religiously  conservative women have traditionally shunned the beaches. If they did  visit, they were unable to swim as they were unwilling to bare their  flesh in public.
       

 

But more than 25,000  of the Islamic swimsuits have been sold in the past year and their  leading maker, Hasema, is struggling to cope with demand. Hayrunnisa  Gul, the wife of the foreign minister, is among its customers.

The  swimsuits come in a range of colours and patterns and the latest  versions let the sun through, allowing the wearer to obtain a tan.

Reha  Muhtar, a leading writer, provoked controversy when he wrote in a  leading newspaper describing the swimwear as "bizarre". Ahmet Hakan,  another columnist, labelled the suits as "silly, tasteless and weird".

Women's  clothing is a question of politics in Turkey well as fashion. Since  Mustafa Kemal Ataturk founded the modern state as a secular country, headscarves have been banned  in schools and universities and for civil servants. That has resulted  in some religious female students wearing wigs instead of scarves to  enable them to complete their studies. For some young women, wearing a  headscarf has become associated with teenage rebellion.

But  since the election of the moderate Islamic government of Recep Tayyid  Erdogan, Muslim women have been far less coy about demonstrating their  beliefs in public.

As well as the growing  enthusiasm for the full body swimsuits, Muslim camping sites, spas and  beach resorts that do not sell alcohol and segregate men and women have  sprung up. For example, the Caprice Hotel, on the Aegean coast,  advertises "a modern vacation complex... where the sound of prayer is  heard five times a day".

 
 
  Check out the Hansema on-line shop!   Full covering 'swim' (or 'drown'?) wear available for worldwide delivery.  Those Traddie modesty shops have got competition now.
     

       


       

       

And for children too.
       

       


       

       

Hmm, not so sure about those bare elbows, though.
       

 
 

     
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2006, 10:55:AM »

I still think I would prefer this

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2006, 11:01:AM »

My wife and I recently went to a water park and noticed 2 women wearing full Muslim outfits, swimming in the wave pool.

 

I'm really surprised that one of the life guards didn't call them out for that. I'm not at all against modest clothing when you go swimming, it just seems like the amount of cloths would weigh heavy once they were soaking wet.

 

 

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2006, 11:03:AM »

If it's made out of regular swimwear material it is probably lighter than you might think, even when wet.  What would be the reason to dismiss people dressed in these suits from a beach, as mentioned in the first post?

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2006, 11:28:AM »

Quote from: nicollette
What would be the reason to dismiss people dressed in these suits from a beach, as mentioned in the first post?

The Turkish government is very committed to secularism, so resents any public assertion of Islamic mores.

Frankly, I have to admit that I am so opposed to Islam that in Islamic contexts I tend to sympathize with secularists.  I realize that traditional Catholics may have to part company with me here.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2006, 11:32:AM »

Wow....ummm wow. :lol: Those are interesting to say the least. However, if that is part of their religion, then they have every right to be on the beach or at the pool, just like everyone else. Why in the world would a lifeguard kick them off the beach for wearing these suits? It reminds me of that "Baby Blues" comic strip a long time ago where the lifeguard is escorting Wanda and baby Zoe out of the pool telling her that breastfeeding her child is not allowed in the pool area and is indecent exposure...all the while winking at hotties in binkins and other such dental floss constructed outfits who walk in. Hypocrites...

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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2006, 11:35:AM »

That woman is wearing pants!!! To the stake with her!

 

It just goes to show you that ideas of what is modest are subjective. 

 

 So some traditional Catholics would be scandalized by the lack of skirts on the Muslim women's suits, and Muslims would be scandalized by the lack of head covering and the sight of ankles and elbows!

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2006, 11:39:AM »

That (full covering) is going too far.

 

Personally, I have no problem with the swimsuits shown in the two pictures below. Perhaps it should cover a little bit more of the legs. But other than that, I would not consider it indecent.

 

 

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2006, 11:42:AM »

What about the Amish? I think they have it right. They have head coverings and dresses. They are like the best of both worlds. (Detect the jest in my voice). :D

 

 

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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2006, 11:44:AM »

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What about the Amish? I think they have it right. They have head coverings and dresses. They are like the best of both worlds. (Detect the jest in my voice).

 

Naaa...the bedoins in their long flowing robes and head scarves for both men and women alike have them trumped. :lol:

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