Several questions

[GrumpyTroll]

Grumpy

If you have drawn the conclusion that the SSPX is not in schism, try not to fear catching a schismatic mentality from them. Plot a course and move on in your education program and leave the issue behind if you've made your choice.

You are right, but how could the grace be explained? Could it be that:

• I was right to go to the Novus Ordo Missæ?
• or that I was right to maintain the reverence of the traditional Mass?

I have difficulty believing that it could be the former, given that the new Mass pays such a lowly tribute to Our Lord.

 

I'm not sue where to find this book or similar online. You could try a google or yahoo search. It's also easy to forget that this forum is attatched to the greatest Catholic site on the web. A search of "Catholic suffering" produced this: http://www.fisheaters.com/offeringitup.html

Thank you for that; I really need an explanation on why God would let a fervent Catholic, or a Catholic who would like to be fervent, suffer to the point that there is a risk of losing hope, sinning, etc.

Time for me to go to bed, or should I say, well past it. See you next time, Grumpy.

Sleep well; truly, thank you for your answers.

BTW, don't forget to pick up a Mass schedule each week at Mass. It'll save you from the hideous songs and funny looks from the Priest regarding your reverence, you trad kook.

There normally is a High Mass every Sunday at 10 A.M., but this morning was an exception … I guess that I should have payed more attention during the parish announcements last week!

God bless you,

[Daniel]

All quotes from Grumpy Troll:

You are right, but how could the grace be explained? Could it be that:

• I was right to go to the Novus Ordo Missæ?  
• or that I was right to maintain the reverence of the traditional Mass?

I have difficulty believing that it could be the former, given that the new Mass pays such a lowly tribute to Our Lord.

 

There are still many Priests who see the Mass as a Holy Sacrifice and believe in the Real Presesnce. The same could be said for the congregation. Put the two together and one could realistically expect Grace to flow. The TLM is a better option but it's not like people go to hell for attending the novus ordo. People choose the TLM because it offers more security regarding their faith and the novus ordo less, not none at all.

 

I really need an explanation on why God would let a fervent Catholic, or a Catholic who would like to be fervent, suffer to the point that there is a risk of losing hope, sinning, etc.

 

I would still look at the book "Why Must I Suffer?" mentioned above. You could also canvass this subject without spending any money by reading the Book of Job from the Old Testament. Our Priests have told us many times that Our Lord would never let us be tested beyond our capabilities so no matter how bad things get we will always have what it takes to get through it. If we don't it is probably because we never asked for the Grace from God to help us. In "The Wisdom of the Desert" by Australian Catholic Truth Society we are taught that one should never ask that suffering and temptation be removed from us, we should just pray for the Grace to handle it. God wants to know what you are made of so He can judge you, so prepare to be put to the test. Better than being put to the sword.

 

There are always many people on the forum keen enough to help out so keep posting.

[GrumpyTroll]

All quotes from Grumpy Troll:

You are right, but how could the grace be explained? Could it be that:

 

• I was right to go to the Novus Ordo Missæ?  
• or that I was right to maintain the reverence of the traditional Mass?

I have difficulty believing that it could be the former, given that the new Mass pays such a lowly tribute to Our Lord.

There are still many Priests who see the Mass as a Holy Sacrifice and believe in the Real Presesnce. The same could be said for the congregation. Put the two together and one could realistically expect Grace to flow. The TLM is a better option but it's not like people go to hell for attending the novus ordo. People choose the TLM because it offers more security regarding their faith and the novus ordo less, not none at all.

Perhaps I am being overly suspicious: maybe it was just a sign that I was not in a state of mortal sin (as I had not taken the time out to confess myself beforehand ); but the woman to whom I speak on the internet, who introduced me to the faith and is very modernist, told me after I revealed to her that I had became one of those "hateful fundamentalists" she so warned me against: "It shall be the graces or lack of them which will guide you." I have the memory, though, of such a grace at Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet … I cannot imagine doing the wrong thing by "going trad".
 

 

 

I really need an explanation on why God would let a fervent Catholic, or a Catholic who would like to be fervent, suffer to the point that there is a risk of losing hope, sinning, etc.

I would still look at the book "Why Must I Suffer?" mentioned above. You could also canvass this subject without spending any money by reading the Book of Job from the Old Testament. Our Priests have told us many times that Our Lord would never let us be tested beyond our capabilities so no matter how bad things get we will always have what it takes to get through it. If we don't it is probably because we never asked for the Grace from God to help us. In "The Wisdom of the Desert" by Australian Catholic Truth Society we are taught that one should never ask that suffering and temptation be removed from us, we should just pray for the Grace to handle it. God wants to know what you are made of so He can judge you, so prepare to be put to the test. Better than being put to the sword.

I wonder why God would want to test some more than others: besides, the suffering has been happening for nearly two years now, that was back when I had no interest in religion at all; quite the contrary, I was hostile to it. Thank you for the references.

There are always many people on the forum keen enough to help out so keep posting.

I thank those who have answered my questions and those who will answer the questions I could ask in the future.

[DominusTecum]

Hello GrumpyTroll,

 

It's not that he "causes you or I to suffer more than others," but that we sanctify ourselves by suffering. We offer it up and bear our crosses that we are sent patiently, then enthusiastically, and finally learn to love them, as we follow Christ. However, people are different. I have crosses in my life, and I think they are pretty big, sometimes insurmountable. However, when I objectively look at one of my friends, he seems to have very few crosses, if any. I look at another friend, and his crosses make mine look like mere trifles. In reality, we all have the same amount of suffering, subjectively speaking, because we are all given the amount of suffering/temptation that we can handle. My friend who has a much heavier cross is certainly more saintly than I, and can better bear it. Crosses are adjusted to our personality and temperament and such, too. While physical suffering might be inconsequential for one person, for another it would be a very large cross, and so God takes this into account when he gives us our crosses.