The Eastern Catholics

[Einar]

Hello guys

 

What I want to know if you can answer me is that the Eastern rites...are they similar to the orthodox schismatic rites?

 

Just because I know of this monastery, Golgotha Monastery in Scotland, of the Transalpine Redemptorist Order that they are instructed to know the rutenian and ucranian rites.

 

Thanks in advance

[Kephapaulos]

It depends. Some Eastern Catholic liturgies can be like the EO liturgies, but a considerable number of them have been vernacularized I think. Not to mention NOized.

[DominusTecum]

Some of the Transalpine Redemptorists also use Eastern Rite Liturgies, as well as Western Rite, yes. However, they are not schismatic by any stretch of the imagination. Eastern Catholics use similar (if not the same) liturgies as the Eastern Schismatics, because the Schismatics took these liturgies with them when they went into schism, and the Eastern Catholics have, Deo Gratias, come back into the church, and are of course still using the same liturgy. They are quite valid, and the Eastern liturgies are no doubt very beautiful. The Redemptorists use them somewhat out of necessity, because they work closely with the Society of St. Josaphat, which is an SSPX-affiliate that is devoted to preserving tradition in the Eastern Rites too. (Since the SSPX is Roman Rite.)

 

 

[jovan66102]

It depends. Some Eastern Catholic liturgies can be like the EO liturgies, but a considerable number of them have been vernacularized I think. Not to mention NOized.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "vernacularized". All the Eastern Churches, Catholic and schismatic, have traditionally celebrated the Divine Liturgy in the language of the people and I have never seen an Eastern Liturgy that had been "NOized". Indeed, short of adopting the Latin Rite NO, I can't think of how it could be done.

[Clarkthepapist]

 

It depends. Some Eastern Catholic liturgies can be like the EO liturgies, but a considerable number of them have been vernacularized I think. Not to mention NOized.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "vernacularized". All the Eastern Churches, Catholic and schismatic, have traditionally celebrated the Divine Liturgy in the language of the people and I have never seen an Eastern Liturgy that had been "NOized". Indeed, short of adopting the Latin Rite NO, I can't think of how it could be done.

The Maronite and the Malabar rites come to mind

[jovan66102]

 

It depends. Some Eastern Catholic liturgies can be like the EO liturgies, but a considerable number of them have been vernacularized I think. Not to mention NOized.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "vernacularized". All the Eastern Churches, Catholic and schismatic, have traditionally celebrated the Divine Liturgy in the language of the people and I have never seen an Eastern Liturgy that had been "NOized". Indeed, short of adopting the Latin Rite NO, I can't think of how it could be done.

The Maronite and the Malabar rites come to mind

 

I am not arguing that it hasn't happened, but could you give examples? I'm an amateur liturgiologist and I'm fascinated (as well as horrified) by the idea.

[PinoyMonk]

Although I have not personally attended a DL of the local Maronites, I  have seen a number of photographs.  The priest is wearing NO  vestments and stands at NO-style table, facing the people, of  course.  The church itself is nearly empty, but I believe there  may have been a cross (don't believe there was a corpus but would have  to check) on the wall behind the priest.  If someone hadn't told  me that the photographs have been of a Maronite DL, I would've  suspected the average NO.  It's quite sad.
 
  As to the Malabar Rite, I haven't seen photographs nor been to it, but  I have some friends that go to a Malabar Rite parish.  When  they're too busy to get to their own Mass/DL, they'll attend the NO  parish near my house (where I used to go).  When I asked about the  differences between the NO and the Malabar Rite, they were unable to  tell me any differences at all.  To them, they are 100% identical,  and I find this to be quite frightening.
 
  Pinoy Monk
 
 

[jovan66102]

Although I have not personally attended a DL of the local Maronites, I have seen a number of photographs.  The priest is wearing NO vestments and stands at NO-style table, facing the people, of course.  The church itself is nearly empty, but I believe there may have been a cross (don't believe there was a corpus but would have to check) on the wall behind the priest.  If someone hadn't told me that the photographs have been of a Maronite DL, I would've suspected the average NO.  It's quite sad.

As to the Malabar Rite, I haven't seen photographs nor been to it, but I have some friends that go to a Malabar Rite parish.  When they're too busy to get to their own Mass/DL, they'll attend the NO parish near my house (where I used to go).  When I asked about the differences between the NO and the Malabar Rite, they were unable to tell me any differences at all.  To them, they are 100% identical, and I find this to be quite frightening.

Pinoy Monk

 

Yikes!!!!!

[Clarkthepapist]

Maronites almost everywhere no longer celebrate Mass Ad orientam. The music varies, but what one parish may lack in guitars and folk music, it makes up for in hideous modern architechture and other liturgical abuse. My maronite parish near my house is actually relatively decent from what I can gather, minus guitars and poor music selections.

 

 

As for the malabars, I heard they use female altar servers, which alone seems like a worst abuse then guitars or facing the people....

[jovan66102]

As for the malabars, I heard they use female altar servers, which alone seems like a worst abuse then guitars or facing the people....

 

Totally agreed!