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Author Topic: The Rise of the College Woman  (Read 1554 times)
DominusTecum
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« on: August 17, 2006, 10:34:AM »

The Rise of the College Woman
 
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Vandaler
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2006, 11:06:AM »

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The first bit, on the other hand, was quite intriguing. Men don't want to go to college today because more are waking up to the fact that it's A) a racket, and B) not necessarily necessary to secure a job to support a family (or live hedonistic lifestyles as many of today's men probably prefer to do.) Women, on the other hand, are only entering college because they are being propagandized into doing so, or forced by their feminist mothers and parents, or perhaps because they're rather feministic themselves and feel that it's their rightful place. Most of them, however, are simply well-meaning and figure "why not." Based on my experiences, I tend to think that they view it as a sort of matchmaking service. Regardless, it's most interesting how all these men are finding jobs, but yet the article ignores this and keeps repeating mantra-like "must go to college, universal college is good, ad infinitum."

 

I may be misunderstanding the essence of what your saying, but I disagree profoundly with "...Men don't want to go to college today because more are waking up to the fact that it's A) a racket, and B) not necessarily necessary to secure a job to support a family "

 

Securing a job to support a family is certainly a dignified thing to do, but without education, your bound to be doing only what job your able to find.

Considering you spend more then half your life at work, is it not worth it to educate yourself to be doing something you love, or at least, provide your family with the security that your education provide for job continuity?  Education empowers you to make choice in your carreer, without education, your are bound by what you find.  

 

At the very least, if you don't want to go to college, you need to learn a craft or something... 

 

Edited to add: Your still young... Learn from your elder.

 

You will ear often older folks say how they regret not going to college.

You almost never ear someone is his older age regretting he went.

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Sophia
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 11:41:AM »

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 is it not worth it to educate yourself to be doing something you love, or at least, provide your family with the security that your education provide for job continuity? 

 

Yes, but the sad fact remains that most college education is overpriced drivel.  The first two years of undergrad work are nothing but remedial highschool education anyway...why would anyone want to pay $20,000 a year for that?  Then you spend two years on your "major" which, if you really intend to go on to find a job in that field, necessitates a masters in the same.  Six or seven years spent amassing tons of debt, learning very little, when he could have been spending the time doing something he really enjoyed, without tons of debt!

 

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At the very least, if you don't want to go to college, you need to learn a craft or something...

 

Definitely.  There should be more trade schools, and I think that this can be started as early as highschool. 

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2006, 11:46:AM »

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 is it not worth it to educate yourself to be doing something you love, or at least, provide your family with the security that your education provide for job continuity? 

 

Yes, but the sad fact remains that most college education is overpriced drivel.  The first two years of undergrad work are nothing but remedial highschool education anyway...why would anyone want to pay $20,000 a year for that?  Then you spend two years on your "major" which, if you really intend to go on to find a job in that field, necessitates a masters in the same.  Six or seven years spent amassing tons of debt, learning very little, when he could have been spending the time doing something he really enjoyed, without tons of debt!

 

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At the very least, if you don't want to go to college, you need to learn a craft or something...

 

Definitely.  There should be more trade schools, and I think that this can be started as early as highschool. 

 

Good point on pricing,  In Canada, education is far more affordable.  It's not even comparable.

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Traditio_in_Radice
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2006, 12:07:PM »

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Good point on pricing,  In Canada, education is far more affordable.  It's not even comparable.

A lot of it is still overpriced drivel. A B.A. isn't worth the paper it's printed on but will still run you around $10,000 if you live at home with parents. And even if a Canadian university grad comes out with less debt load, he's faced with much higher taxes than in the U.S. (and mortgages are not tax deductable here, either).

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Vandaler
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2006, 12:29:PM »

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Good point on pricing,  In Canada, education is far more affordable.  It's not even comparable.

A lot of it is still overpriced drivel. A B.A. isn't worth the paper it's printed on but will still run you around $10,000 if you live at home with parents. And even if a Canadian university grad comes out with less debt load, he's faced with much higher taxes than in the U.S. (and mortgages are not tax deductable here, either).

 

There will be soon a shortage in manual labour, so, there is nothing wrong in learning a trade if that is what a younglin want.

 

However, I would certainly not persuade my son in thinking that education is a scam, thus limiting his possibilities.  In fact, I'd knock flat (figuratively) anyone convincing him otherwise.

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Sophia
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2006, 12:34:PM »

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However, I would certainly not persuade my son in thinking that education is a scam, thus limiting his possibilities.  In fact, I'd knock flat (figuratively) anyone convincing him otherwise.

 

It's not that education is a scam, it's the kind of education being offered that is inferior.

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Vandaler
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2006, 12:53:PM »

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It's not that education is a scam, it's the kind of education being offered that is inferior.

 

I don't really care for that line of reasoning... If my son... or your son, wants to design bridges rather then build them, he should be encouraged to pursue is endevior to the fullest of his desire and not be brought down into thinking that designing the bridge is not for him.

 

Sorry if I'm a bit dry, this subject is close to my sensibilities.

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DominusTecum
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2006, 01:11:PM »

Oh no, we don't mean that... I agree, being an architect as opposed to a construction worker is perfectly fine, if that's what God calls you to do, you enjoy, and you can make a living at it. However, the sad thing is that most of the education that is offered today is very very mediocre. What the boy could learn in perhaps two or three years of dedicated study takes him seven, because he's also required to take so many irrelevant classes. The liberal arts are a great thing, for some people, but they are not made for everyone. It used to be that only around five percent of post-high school students went to college, and those 5 percent were the ones who were really qualified for it, and who could stand to benefit from a college education. As it is now, the educational system is very bloated and overpriced. I paid $10,000 (that is cheap in America) for a year of college last year, in which I took precisely one class that taught me things that I did not learn in high school. The rest was required rehashing, and was merely an excuse for them to coax me out of a whole lot of tuition and class fees. The classes at a modern university are very much dumbed down, so that anyone and everyone can come, take them, and get their "bachelors." This naturally creates a problem, because the glut of bachelors' degrees means that the jobs formerly accessible with it (truly professional jobs) now require a masters or even a doctorate. It's not unheard-of here for students to spend 7 or even 10 years in school, and then when they get out they face massive debt and they've wasted the first decade of their adult life and have very little to show for it, save a couple of diplomas.

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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2006, 01:17:PM »

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