The Rise of the College Woman

[Paul]

I don't really care for that line of reasoning... If my son... or your son, wants to design bridges rather then build them, he should be encouraged to pursue is endevior to the fullest of his desire and not be brought down into thinking that designing the bridge is not for him.

If he wants to design bridges, then the best place for him is to get a year or two of education for the basic math and engineering skills, and then to go work with those who actually build them. Unfortunately, these days, before they hire you, they're going to want the degree, even though much of the college education will be mostly useless. You learn far more by actually doing the job than by sitting in the classroom. Sure, there's some jobs which require lengthy education, such as becoming a doctor, but for most of them, you don't really need four years of college and tens of thousands of dollars of debt.

[HMiS]

Going to university ís very good and everyone who received that gift, must use it, by divine plan.

 

The anti-universitarianism displayed over here (though I agree, that financially speaking the education is overpriced), will - if brought into practice - lead to intellectual backwards pacing and the increasingly intellectual isolation of traditionalists.

 

All the trad boys and girls I went on pilgrimage to Rome with, were at or had been at college/university. Being in the construction field often exposes you to cursing, bad morality, bad habits and marginalisation too.

 

And life as a farmer is nice, but you need a real hundreds acres' estate to earn a good living. It's not given to all to have that privilege.

 

Learning and studying is good, and a means of sanctification, as per St. Dominic.  

[Sophia]

The anti-universitarianism displayed over here (though I agree, that financially speaking the education is overpriced), will - if brought into practice - lead to intellectual backwards pacing and the increasingly intellectual isolation of traditionalists.

 

I agree whole-heartedly.  That's why something has to be done about this situation.  That's why traditional Catholics need to put their resources together and get good acredited colleges going (it can be done without compromising on the Faith.)  It isn't going to happen in the near future though.  Traditional Catholics who can hardly get along about which Mass to go to are never going to be able to get along long enough to  surmount the many difficulties and obstacles of founding a college or university. 

 

In the mean time our only recourse is to utilize the existing universities and hope that you emerge after four years with even a shred of your Catholic Faith.  You have to carry a huge debt which you will burden your family with during the early years when you need that money the most, and even then you will be lucky to find a living wage.

 

Of course you have the dooms-day-sayers who think it is all going to collapse in the next few years anyway, so don't bother.  They may be right, but we can't live that way.

 

Just ranting out loud...

[philipmarus]

Actually, My Secular University Education made me Catholic for the simple fact that I had that a very liberal Professor that nevertheless exposed me Great Catholic Thinkers like Aquinas in contrast to my High School teachers that spent more time propagating Anti-Catholic Enlightenment myths. Despite the College Debt, this reward in the form of being free from Ignorance and propaganda about the Catholic faith make it worth more than any material reward.

[liliaagri]

I agree that there is a lot of garbage being taught at secular universities but it's a question of knowing what to look for. It is still possible to get a decent education--maybe not an outstanding one, but certainly one that will leave you better off than than if you never even tried. I know that college isn't for everyone but it is the right choice for a lot of people.

 

And I'm about to start my last year of college and my Faith is still very much intact.

 

It's just a matter of choosing carefully, I think.

[Catholicmilkman]

Your still young... Learn from your elder.

 

You will ear often older folks say how they regret not going to college.

You almost never ear someone is his older age regretting he went.

Funny you say that, a lot of men I know are not using their diplomas and I hear people say they wish they didn't go yet they still say that I should go.

[Vandaler]

Your still young... Learn from your elder.  

 

You will ear often older folks say how they regret not going to college.

You almost never ear someone is his older age regretting he went.

Funny you say that, a lot of men I know are not using their diplomas and I hear people say they wish they didn't go yet they still say that I should go.

Don't get me wrong, I use nothing that I learned in College in my present work.  Still, I'm confident that life would not be as easy workwise if I had not went.

 

Today, my work experience is far more important then my college degree in assesing my market value.  Nevertheless, my college degree is what unlocked the door to begin amassing this work experience.

 

You may know others that had much different path. I just shared mine... and how mine helped form my opinion. 

[HMiS]

Instead of complaining about anti-Catholicism in some universities, traditionalist Roman Catholics like we should massively attend universities and radiate the teachings of Christianity there. I hate the isolationist anti-universitarianism.

 

As long as one does not study sexuology, (some branches of) biotechnology, theology or philosophy, being at university will open doors and enable you to afford for a good living for your large Roman Catholic family later on.

 

And while village schools and practical education schools tend to ridiculize the Faith, larger city universities (not the Catholic ones which are spoilt by Modernism and Illuminism) will prove centres of open-mindedness, not in the liberal hippie sense, but in a good sense. You will be able to profile as a Roman Catholic, and be somewhat respected as such.

 

And those interested in elite schools and colleges might want to attend that very famous Business School of Opus Dei (towards which I am "somewhat" critical) in Navarre, Spain, where they will teach Aquinas and Maritain, which is quite nice in fact. (Though I am not a firm adherent to Maritain's Christian Democracy concepts.)

 

It is best to attend secular universities, better than attending the Catholic ones. In the USA state and private universities will prove to have some left-overs from Protestant morality, which is rather correct most of the time. Instead, the so-called (nominally) Catholic universities will prove havens for sexual predators, 1960s sexual immorality and theological modernism propagated to all (while private and secular universities only give religious courses as an option!)

 

As said, most of those who found to Tradition, were Roman Catholics trained at university in logical thinking and objectivity. Colleges and universities can prove to be good.

[Sophia]

 

And I'm about to start my last year of college and my Faith is still very much intact.

 

It's just a matter of choosing carefully, I think.

Well, I'm glad that you have so much confidence, but how can you be sure that your Faith hasn't been compromised?

 

For example, my favorite is when someone out of college will one moment say that he kept his Faith the whole time, and the next moment he will extol the virtues of Carl Jung.   

[DominusTecum]

It's not "isolationism and anti-universitarianism," it's about:

• A corrupt system that charges exorbitant amounts for an on-the-whole very poor education.
• The prevalence of marxist propaganda on virtually every college campus, unless the college is either very conservative NO or a Trad school, making the education received, already deficient due to modern "dumbing down," even worse by the blatant error that is the unquestioned dogma.
• The sickening immorality that is present at virtually every "Catholic" school, and in worse degrees at every secular school.
• The fact that it is virtually unquestioned these days that in order to have any kind of decent job, one supposedly needs to have a university degree.
• And the fact that the above is in many cases true, when university is perfectly fine for those who are cut out for it, but that every single Tom, Dick, and Harry (not to mention Mary, Catherine, and Sally) assuredly does NOT "need" a university education, and in many ways for a lot of people it would probably be a waste of time and money.
• In a perfect world, these people would not need it, it could be argued that to survive in today's world they have to have it, but this is not necessarily true (as evidenced by many trad men who have perfectly good jobs and no BA or BS.) Furthermore, we are not to simply "do what the world says for us to do," we are to fight the world. If the world says "send all your children off to college to be propagandized with cultural marxism and immorality and waste all your money/incur huge debt," in some cases it might be unavoidable, but it should be resisted if at all possible.