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Author Topic: Peculiar Question: How Do You Feel About Multiracial People?  (Read 3493 times)
Sophia
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« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2006, 06:03:PM »

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 First of all, it's a fact that the enemies of the Catholic Faith wish to dominate the formerly Catholic countries by creating a "one world government" -- and to do that, they need to destroy all bonds of nationality and race.

 

Ok, I'm with you so far. 

 

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 By encouraging intermarriage, they have achieved this to a large degree.

 

We part company here.  It was never the Catholics who were against cultural intermarriage- only the English.  The Catholic countries always encouraged intermarriage in their colonies.  The discrimination of mixed racial marriage in the United States is a result of  Protestant influence.  It is not a Catholic attitude.

 

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The natural pride we feel in our race (for those of us who still have a race to identify with) is a good thing, something God intended for us. But the Powers That Be see that as a liability to their creation of a World Government.

 

I would agree with you here, as long as you change the word "race" to "nationality."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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ChantCd
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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2006, 06:16:PM »

Nationality might be the better word, as strictly speaking there are only three "races" -- those which sprang from Sem (asian), Cham (african), and Japeth (european). All others are pretty much a mix of those three.

 

Remember the Scholastic axiom, "Ab inimice disce" -- "learn from your enemy".

 

When I see the enemy super-anxious to destroy all distinction of nationality or race, I'm naturally quite skeptical about how good of a thing that is.

 

Your enemy knows (sometimes better than you do) what's good for you, and what's bad for you. Hence the wise axiom to learn from your enemy.

 

Matthew

 

 

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QuisUtDeus
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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2006, 07:04:PM »

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Nationality might be the better word, as strictly speaking there are only three "races" -- those which sprang from Sem (asian), Cham (african), and Japeth (european). All others are pretty much a mix of those three.

 

Which sprang from two parents - Adam and Eve.  So at the end of the day, we're all created by God and judged by Christ, etc.

 

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When I see the enemy super-anxious to destroy all distinction of nationality or race, I'm naturally quite skeptical about how good of a thing that is.

 

Sure, we should retain our cultures because the music, etc., can be construed as gifts from God for a particular region.  Also, they are just plain nice to have.  Who wants to live in some sterile society?

 

However, it can also be seen as a curse.  We had one language / culture until the tower of Babel and God blasted everyone.

 

Either way it doesn't matter.  If one has marital love for someone of a different race or country, they should do what is best for them with God's blessing than worry if they are a tool for the "powers-that-be".  They will have strong Catholic marriages blessed with children while other people's families fall apart into chaos.

 

That's our secret weapon, you know, besides our faith and Christ.  Good Catholic families.

 

And yes, some cultures engender certain behavior.  For example, the American culture engenders industry and creativity for money, consumerism, and also the importing of labor (both manual and professional).  But while we can say that most Americans suffer from consumerism, we have to treat any individual we meet uniquely because it's unfair to make assumptions based on stereotypes.

 

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ChantCd
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« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2006, 07:45:PM »

I think I made it clear in my post -- it's unfair to make assumptions (or judgements) based on stereotypes.

But when I hear about a brilliant German scientist I don't have to say, "Wow! who would have known?" and play stupid, like I'm actually surprised.

 

I think the crux of the matter is that we have the Faith, which is the only way for the races (and nations) to work together in harmony.

 

I think race is much less important when you have a primarily CATHOLIC culture. In fact, that's how the Italian, Irish, Polish, etc. cultures were created in the first place -- from the influence of the Catholic Faith.

 

So when all parties are Catholic, it matters much less that you are "mingling blood" because you obviously have a Catholic society to replace it with (e.g., Mexican, to replace the Spanish and Indian cultures)

 

But right now, you neither have the Faith, nor the strength that comes with being part of a single nation. That is not a good thing.

 

For those of us who have lost touch with our heritage, they can pick us off individually, one by one, since we feel outnumbered and have no identity to speak of.

 

There is a certain secret society (F________s) which has the motto "dissolve et coagula" -- dissolve, and put together. They first destroy the Christian order, then they put together a new society of their own design. The same could be said about the nations of the world. First you destroy the distinctions of nationality, then build them all up into a "one world" citizenship.

 

Matthew

 

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Sophia
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« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2006, 08:46:PM »

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When I see the enemy super-anxious to destroy all distinction of nationality or race, I'm naturally quite skeptical about how good of a thing that is.

 

 

Right, that is a good start.  The real purpose of this effort to eliminate the distinction between nationalities is to mimic the unity Christ gives us through the Church.   It only further serves the devil's purposes when in a reactionary way, we attack all aspects of the enemies plans to subvert the Church.   The devil would not hold unity out as a carrot at the end of a stick for us if it were not a good.

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QuisUtDeus
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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2006, 09:21:PM »

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There is a certain secret society (F________s) which has the motto "dissolve et coagula" -- dissolve, and put together. They first destroy the Christian order, then they put together a new society of their own design. The same could be said about the nations of the world. First you destroy the distinctions of nationality, then build them all up into a "one world" citizenship.

You may be right about said society's use of the phrase, but that motto is originally the motto of Alchemists (actually, "solve et coagula" but your translation is correct).  It refers to breaking down into the elements and reassembling them into a higher form, either in the sense of Spiritual Alchemy (spiritual perfection) or Practical Alchemy (chemistry).

 

The Philosopher's Stone is said to be made by breaking down metals into the prima materia and recombining in a certain way which could then be used to transform baser metals into higher forms (e.g., lead into gold) or heal the body of all ailments.  This theory existed long before said society.

 

That society has stolen a lot which never belonged to it and put it to its own anti-Catholic uses.

 

 

 

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Archbishop_10K
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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2006, 11:00:AM »

I love multiracial people; probably because I am one.

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Immaculata001
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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2006, 12:08:PM »

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First of all, it's a fact that the enemies of the Catholic Faith wish to dominate the formerly Catholic countries by creating a "one world government" -- and to do that, they need to destroy all bonds of nationality and race. By encouraging intermarriage, they have achieved this to a large degree.

 

Intermarriage is not a modern phenomenon but a human one that's been going on for millenia.  There are entire subgroups that are the result of intermarriage (North Africans=Arabs + Subsaharan Africans; Seychellois= French+African; Tahitian= French, Native Polynesian, and Asian subgroups; Madagascan=African+Southeast Asian). 

 

People who have dominated have never encouraged intermarriage, and ironically, neither have people who have been subversives.  It is something that just happens because when people get into contact with other people they stop perceiving them as "others" but as human beings.  Stereotypes always erode in those environments, and people have diminished anxiety about what there proper social role is, or what limitations can be place on them by race or ethnicity.

 

The perspective that you've just offered (that intermarriage is a plot to destroy family structures and transmission of cultural values) isn't a side point or insignificant -- essentially, you are implying that intermarriage is a threat to every society's framework and that mixed race people should be treated with suspicion, or perceived as anomalies.  Someone else also pointed out that this is a very English/Anglo perspective.

 

What group do YOU feel that you "belong" to and can identify with? Guess what, we are SUPPOSED to have a culture that we feel is part of us. God intended the differences in the races and peoples. 

 

I disagree.  I'm beginning to believe that the early apostles, and Jesus himself, were challenging the social orders they were moving through, especially as it concerned race, ethnicity, and cultural allegiance.  Some of the heroes in Jesus parables' were known in their regions as mixed race people (Egs:Samaritans) -- it's very interesting that people in dominant groups perceived those people as threat to the social fabric and questioned the legitimacy of their cultural expressions, and that those mixed race people were also the result of interrelationships between colonizers and the colonized. 

 

Inquister Generalis:

You strike me as someone who deeply needs to believe certain things because it helps you negotiate reality (Ie: at the root of what you are saying is that you need to believe in stereotypes).  That is your choice, and has no significance to me.

 

Of course stereotypes can be proven untrue -- if the facts don't gel, it isn't true.  A thread of truth or relevance still doesn't make something true (real, factual, relevant).  The "good stereotypes" you listed were still routed in the bad:

 

Black people are good at sports.

This is routed in the idea that while intellectually inferior, Blacks can excel in physical pursuits (being closer to animals or savages).  No, this is not positive, benign, or complementary.

 

Asians are good at Math.

This is routed in the idea that Asians are naturally calculating or very cunning ("inscrutable" is the word commonly used).  No, this is not positive, benign, or complementary.

 

Indigenous people are good at bargaining.

So why not set them up to sell themselves, their land, etc? Another baddie.

 

 

Anyways, God bless you in your struggle...

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JLeigh
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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2006, 12:57:PM »

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Inquister Generalis:

You strike me as someone who deeply needs to believe certain things because it helps you negotiate reality (Ie: at the root of what you are saying is that you need to believe in stereotypes).  That is your choice, and has no significance to me.

 

I'm sorry, but I feel that some things are being over-analyzed to death in this thread. It's a fact that many stereotypes have some basis in reality! Does this mean that since I believe this, the "someone who deeply needs to believe certain things because it helps me negotiate reality" psychobabble applies to me? Nope.

 

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Of course stereotypes can be proven untrue -- if the facts don't gel, it isn't true.  A thread of truth or relevance still doesn't make something true (real, factual, relevant).  The "good stereotypes" you listed were still routed in the bad:

 

Black people are good at sports.

This is routed in the idea that while intellectually inferior, Blacks can excel in physical pursuits (being closer to animals or savages).  No, this is not positive, benign, or complementary.

 

Asians are good at Math.

This is routed in the idea that Asians are naturally calculating or very cunning ("inscrutable" is the word commonly used).  No, this is not positive, benign, or complementary.

 

Indigenous people are good at bargaining.

So why not set them up to sell themselves, their land, etc? Another baddie.

 

You have listed exactly three stereotypes here to prove that stereotypes have no basis in fact? Come now. Now, if you were to say "I have a problem with cruel and unkind stereotypes", then I would have to completely agree with you. But that's not what you are doing. You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

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Anyways, God bless you in your struggle...

 

I don't recall Inquisitor telling us he was "struggling" with anything.....

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CampeadorShin
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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2006, 01:09:PM »

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Nationality might be the better word, as strictly speaking there are only three "races" -- those which sprang from Sem (asian), Cham (african), and Japeth (european). All others are pretty much a mix of those three.

What about the rest of Noe's/Noah's family?
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